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Strike Witch 02-01-2008 07:13 PM

Sticker and AIN make me LOL.

Sticker 02-03-2008 06:54 AM

Ghost... your just weird. BM, you do realise that all those COMBINED might work? And there no miracle solutions, it's like a key to a door. It's not like im taking a box of grenades and blowing up the whole door.

Bullet Magnet 02-03-2008 10:51 AM

Yes, I am aware, and that is not the problem: the problem is implementing any of them on a large enough scale. Tidal, for instance, you need to find geography that will allow for the dam, you need to build this huge great thing in there, and the ecological effect of the loss of tidal energy on that piece of coastline is huge.

Solar energy requires the hugely expensive and Carbon Dioxide-costly production of its components, seven years ago it took more energy to manufacture a solar panel than it would ever produce it its lifetime, I can only hope that those values have been improved.

Geothermal energy is only useful in those few places where there is geothermal energy, and believe me, it is being used in those places. Iceland is fortunate enough to have become totally independent of fossil fuels because of it.

Methane production from biomass is useful, but difficult to carry out, and the richest output of bio-methane, cows and garbage dumps, cannot be exploited.

Wind is great, but the peculiar NIMBY attitude that plagues many nations causes more harm than they can know.

Hydroelectric dams have major ecological impacts that must be tackled, especially in salmon and European eel rivers.

Waves carry enormous potential, but good luck accessing it.

I could go on. These are all solutions, yes, and will proper public support, education and the banishment of oil barons we could do good work with this stuff. But they all carry major problems of their own, some more debilitating than others.

abe is now! 02-03-2008 11:18 AM

You're right. These new kinds of energy are great, but they can't be applied everywhere, for many reasons that you wrote. But if men could be united, if they could work togheter peacefully, and if they could work to find a way to stop global warming... those problems could be gone past. And the world would be the old earthly paradise. But wars, policy, corruption and hatred make every search more difficult.

Hobo 02-03-2008 11:32 AM

Guys, hold on just one second.

Since when does abe is now! Have long hair, breathe smoke through that funny vase thing and throw flowers around?

Paul 02-03-2008 01:09 PM

Like I said before, if you're REALLY bothered about it then stop adding to the CO2 count and go back to the dark ages. Cause by the time these soultions are in place it will already be too late.

Sticker 02-03-2008 09:39 PM

That's rubbish we can save the earth and as long as there will be heroes like Al Gore fighting for it we'll go in the right direction. Lets hope we can get in done before the North Pole melts in 23 years.

Strike Witch 02-03-2008 09:52 PM

Al! Gore!

He's Our Hero!

Gonna kick Global Warmin' Down to ZERO!

Leto 02-03-2008 10:06 PM

Al Gore, Linkin Park and Coke are going to save us all.

Zerox 02-04-2008 08:14 AM

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Like I said before, if you're REALLY bothered about it then stop adding to the CO2 count and go back to the dark ages. Cause by the time these soultions are in place it will already be too late.

The problem with that being that it's illegal in a number of ways.

Sticker 02-04-2008 09:51 AM

Support or sarcasm I can't decide.

Paul 02-04-2008 11:03 AM

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The problem with that being that it's illegal in a number of ways.

Since when has that stoped people? :p

Zerox 02-04-2008 11:22 AM

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Since when has that stopped people? :p

What, you know people roughing it like that?

You got a point, either living outside or in the warm, quality resturant jail.

Strike Witch 02-04-2008 08:18 PM

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Support or sarcasm I can't decide.

No big deal, you fail at both.

abe is now! 02-05-2008 04:07 AM

You crazy people. Why is someone joking about Global Warming? Isn't it bad for you? Do you really think we haven't anything to do to stop it? I ask you only... think.

Wings of Fire 02-05-2008 07:03 AM

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Why is someone joking about Global Warming? Isn't it bad for you?

I loled
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Do you really think we haven't anything to do to stop it? I ask you only... think.
We have been thinking. Problem is that we can't implement any ideas so the thread logically deteriorates and either dies of disuse or the jokes get gradually worse until Hobo's forced to close it.

Theres only so much you can say about this until you start repeating yourself on topics like this and the addition of BM to any topic effectively halves its air time.

abe is now! 02-05-2008 07:41 AM

New stuff:
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=ov6GPTB4Tio (sorry but there were not the embed code.)



New terrifying stuff is coming, let me prepare the pictures.

Sticker 02-05-2008 08:26 AM

Wooow that dude rocked! Anyhow here's my addition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_air_car

This is an article about a compressed air car, which operates via using compressed air in a similair manner benzine is used in a car. They simply use the expansion of the air to let the car drive.

Advantages

The principle advantages for an air powered vehicle are:

* CAT redureces the cost of vehicle production by about 20%, because there is no need to build a cooling system, fuel tank, spark plugs or silencers.
* Most compressed air engines do not need a transmision, just a flow control.
* Very low self-discharge rate (most batteries will deplete their charge without external load at a rate determined by the chemistry, design, and size, while compressed gas storage will have an extremely low leakage rate)
* Long storage lifetime device (electric vehicle batteries have a limited useful number of cycles, and sometimes a limited calendar lifetime, irrespective of use). This means that batteries in operation are much more expensive than compressed air storage, and are more pollutant because a lot more pollutant material needs to be used (typical car batteries are made from sulphuric acids and lead).
* Lower initial cost than battery electric vehicles when mass produced (€3,000).
* Expansion of the compressed air reduces its temperature and heat from the passenger compartment may be cooled using a heat exchanger, providing both relief from hot weather air conditioning and increased efficiency.
* Zero pollutant emissions from the vehicle itself.
* There is already infrastructure in place for creating massive amounts of compressed air (i.e. local home center for air compressors)
* Compressed air is not a fire hazard, only a rapid depressurization hazard (this can be mitigated by using carbon fiber tanks like firemen do).
* Air turbine technology, closely related to steam turbine technology, is a practice over 50 years old. It is simple to achieve with low tech materials. This would mean that developing countries, and rapidly growing countries like China and India, could easily implement a less polluting means of personal transportation than an internal combustion engine automobile.

Disadvantages

Having solved most of the high pressure storage and handling problems, the main remaining disadvantages are related to the thermodynamics.

* At the supply station, compressing the air heats it, and if then directly transferred in a heated state to the vehicle storage tanks will then cool and reduce the pressure. If cooled before transfer, the energy in this heat will be lost unless sophisticated low grade heat utilization is employed (see cogeneration).
* Within the vehicle, expansion and consequent pressure reduction in the throttle or engine chills the air, reducing its effective pressure. Addition of ambient heat will increase this pressure and this addition leads to a more complex propulsion system. While an attempt was made in the Nègre system to warm the air in a long portion of the stroke at top dead center, it appears that this scheme has been abandoned due to inherent imbalances causing unacceptable levels of vibration.
* Passenger compartment heating is more difficult since the propulsion system does not provide a source of waste heat. Some form of heat pump, or more likely, an electric heater would be required.
* Limited range due to available tank technology. The air engine suffers from similar problems to hydrogen vehicles in this regard.
* Using energy to compress air is less efficient than charging a battery with that same energy.
* Less efficient than electric motors.
* While the air engine reduces greenhouse gas emissions from the vehicle, the energy used to compress the air may not come from clean sources.
* Long refill times when compared to conventional automobiles, circa 4 Hours using a home or low-end system; a few minutes at a larger, commercial refilling station.[3]

The primairy disadvantage is the lacking tank technology, which basicly means you can only drive a limited distance before having to tank. This can be solved, in theory, by collecting air whilst driving. All current engines use air collected while driving to cool the engine. What could be done is collecting the air whilst driving, use the energy generated from the driving (which is collected by dynamo's to the wheels). This energy could be used to charge a thermal compressor to compress air and thus create fuel while driving. This could reduce the amount of fuel needed to very little or even nothing. Ofcourse, I'm not a specialist and I cant do the math needed for this. So I'm not sure whether that would work but it could help right? If worried about the regular we can turn to another fact; it would take only 3 bucks to fully refuel a tank. Another idea is to pump yourself buuut that might take a while. Anyhow that's what I've got.

abe is now! 02-05-2008 08:42 AM

Yes, thank you for helpling me in this incredible fight against the "monsters".

Three new comparisons:
1)A Glacer of Perù 15 years ago and now.
2)The Rhone Glacer in Switzerland
3)The Tschierva Glacer in Switzerland.

Wings of Fire 02-05-2008 08:44 AM

You two should meet and smoke some good ol' wacky baccy together. :tard:

And it's not the 'monsters' its 'Them' 'The Power' or 'Authority'

abe is now! 02-05-2008 08:50 AM

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You two should meet and smoke some good ol' wacky baccy together. :tard:

And it's not the 'monsters' its 'Them' 'The Power' or 'Authority'

You should go to school sometimes ;)!

Wings of Fire 02-05-2008 08:53 AM

If Bush hasn't sprouted wings, started breathing fire or likewise turned hideously scaly I really don't think my definitions need any help from you.

abe is now! 02-05-2008 08:57 AM

Excuse me, I was trying to do my 1000th post, I didn't mean you don't go to school :). But we must care more than now this argument.

So, this movie can make you cry.

Sticker 02-05-2008 10:19 AM

http://www.algore.com/

That man is hope on legs ^^.

Wings of Fire 02-05-2008 10:32 AM

He is a politician and first and foremost they are self serving opportunists.

Sticker 02-05-2008 10:59 AM

HAHAHAHAHA your still making me laugh dude. *wipes tear from eyes* aah great Al Gore a politician.

Strike Witch 02-05-2008 11:26 AM

Dude, he ran for president.

He was a Politician.

An above-average one, but a Politician nontheless.

And get your head out of his AIN.

Bullet Magnet 02-05-2008 11:46 AM

Congressman, vice-president, twice ran for president, now senior advisor to Google, board of directors at Apple Inc., Environmental Activist and remains an outspoken political activist.

Sticker 02-05-2008 11:06 PM

exactly; activist. Rebels aren't really politicians now are they? Neither are activists. He ran for president so he could change things, but those pig headed Americans denied him that chance. 700 votes.. we were just 700 votes away for salvation.

Bullet Magnet 02-05-2008 11:43 PM

I'm fairly sure that he had those votes.