I was fully aware of what I was doing and made sure to laugh maniacally the whole time. Ah, sweet irony. Sweet, foul irony.

If you hadn't already produced a child, I'd be a willing surrogate.

Alcar...

First, I really enjoyed reading your post on this topic...Thank You! :)


As to what you said about BF, can't agree more. Even though that was my first real link to other zoos on the 'net, in time I also found the place to be more of a money makin porn site than a real community. :( BTW: not sure if you know much or heard about me but I'm on BF (and a few other zoo-sites) as hambletonian and joined that forum back on August 2005....have not posted anything there in almost a year now but still have some Friends I keep in touch with over there.

I would be interested in your survey and have another place you can post it in, if you want....find the link for the "home page" in my profile here. ;)

So are you just joining here to talk about Zoophilia?

Apparently. That's what happens when a 7 page thread about zoophilia is indexed in Google ;).

I would have to agree with Alcar -
:fuzgrin:

Anyhow... it would appear that my lengthy reply has provoked a quite immature
reply... so now I guess I'm an "asshole" all because I am intelligent enough to
reply with an intelligently written and researched post while "old and not so
tasty" could only come up with :fuzgrin::fuzgrin:


Hi "hambletonian" :fuzzle:
Yes I have seen your name around the net and thanks for the link.
Actually, I think we may even be on a couple of other sites together.

Good to see a few more zoos stopping in for a look-see :fuzzle:

Hopefully, this thread will continue for a long time... perhaps it can help to
bring about some good changes for the rights of zoos and their loved ones.

:fuzzle::fuzzle::fuzzle:


:fuzwink: Have You Hugged Your Horse Today? :fuzwink:

...what?

Don't pay any attention to OANST around here. He's the town troll.

Also I should probably say that while I like the fact that my topic has grown so large and even inspired people to sign up, I really don't want people signing up to march around and show off how proud they are to be a zoophile. I don't like that kind of attitude in general and especially not on PG-13 forum that doesn't even have anything to do with the subject.

Names like Iluvmares, or signatures like "I was seduced by the Dark Side of the Mare" and "Have you hugged your horse today" are all extremely suggestive and simply do not have a place around here.

So for those lurking and thinking of signing up to reply to this topic, please have some decency and keep stuff like that at the door. You're welcome to discuss the topic but you don't have to preach us your believes in your nickname or signature. Thank you.

iluvmares excellent post but I noticed something I wanted to point out.
That just doesn't look right.

lol what if that was all I posted? I like being silly.
Anyways what you wrote was pretty powerful and I do have a few questions myself.
Where do 'furries' come into play? Those people who seem to only like anthro-animal stuff. Many of them find sex with humans disgusting and wish they were animals. I don't know I just think it's weird. Though that is how we find most things we don't understand isn't it? As 'weird'. I personally don't believe anything is normal or weird. Just what society deems as normal or weird.

I also don't know exactly what I'd call myself. Perhaps a zoophile with bestiality tendencies? I love my cat Oni, he's a part of the family in my eyes. There is my dilemma. He is part of the family I could never do sexual stuff with him. Having sex with family members is just odd in my eyes. Then again I guess I don't understand it? I don't find Oni attractive in any way cus he's a cat... I love him though I'd take a bullet for him. I've never found an animal sexually attractive, but I've watched some bestiality porn which I found to be arousing. I guess it's just the act of sex that turns me on. *shrugs* I could never imagine myself trying to have a romantic relation with an animal, but I could see a physical one. How do you know if a animal loves you? Like 'um do you go on dates with an animal? Yeah I know what I'm saying is ignorant and that is probably because I don't understand how that works. I'm not closed minded though which is why I'm asking these questions. Is it right to have sex with an animal with no romantic feelings attached? I mean if the animal consents.

I believe I have an idea how it feels to out yourself as a zoophile/zoosexual. I recently came out to my friends that I am pansexual. People always ask what it means and I reply, "It means I love someone for who they are." Then they always ask, "Does that mean you would do it with a dude?" *sigh* Then I have to explain that I form romantic relationships with people, because I like the individual. Sex has nothing to do with it, however, I may possibly have sex with that individual and they might happen to be a guy. Probably the fact that I'm dating a girl who wishes to be a guy isn't helping people to understand. Seriously I view love and sex as two very different things that don't need to be related in anyway. I prefer to have sex with my lover because when I'm naked I feel so exposed, weak and only want to show that side to someone I can trust. Blah I forget the point I was trying to make.

Havoc, I just read your reply and I will edit out the part you mentioned in my signature....this is a signature I use on all Zoo' related Forums I'm a member of, but of course this one is not "zoo".

You being a Moderator trying to keep this Forum environment at a level everyone can enjoy, I completely understand your concerns here.


Now as to what iluvmares has, well....if you did a Google search on Have You Hugged... you will find many tack shops and horse related gift stores that sell t-shirts with that line....many horse-people have them and you don't need to be a Zoo' to wear one.


Again, sorry about the Sig and I will go and edit that line out right now.

I'm sorry.

I just LOLed. I mean really. I actually Laughed Out Loud.

This is an OWF forum, and IMO all these names and signatures are a little rediculous.

- Rexy

I'd say trolls but it's way too much effort for a shitbucket forum like this.

If you'd have to rank it up it would probably go a little something like:

Normal person > Furry > Zoophile

Let me first say that there are a LOT of messed up individuals in both communities, but Furries outrank the Zoophiles in that department by a long shot. I've been part of both communities for what, five years? And in that time I've seen a lot of disturbing stuff, even for my standards, in the furry community.
That said, the furry fandom is first and foremost a place for people who like the art and idea of anthropomorphic characters. AKA, human animal hybrids. This is not by default of adult nature. The adult side is a subculture which a lot of normal furries don't want anything to do with and often take offense that it carries the same name. The largest chunk of both these cultures are just people who either like the genre or people who like the porn. However within the adult culture there are alot of people who are taking it to the extreme. Take the mild versions such as believing that you were an animal in a past life (which, I have to admit, I like to think from time to time) to the more extreme versions where people dress up in a fursuit or actually believe that they are an animal stuck in a man's body. I've even heard stories of furries claiming they are a dragon in every way, shape or form but that the rest of us 'can not see him for his real form'. Obviously these people have a wire malfunction somewhere in their mind and all we really do is laugh at people like this.

But despite all that, the golden rule everyone in the fandom seems to know and accept is never to judge anyone as long as that person isn't hurting anyone.

The border between love for your animal because you love him as your pet, and loving him because you LOVE him is a very thin one and that question is not as unique as it may sound. On some zoo communities that question gets asked a lot by confused teenagers and stuff. But generally the answer is still no, you're not a zoophile for loving your animal as a pet. And you don't automatically have to be sexually attracted to animals just because you get turned on by animal sex. I'm sure a fair share of young people saw a clip like that at some point in their life and I'm fairly sure most of us found it arousing. But you're not going to tell your friends that. I mean, he just found it randomly somewhere on the internet and wanted to share it with you purely for fun, right? Exactly.

As for a romantic relationship with an animal, I think that's overrated. Just like with a human partner there has to be something there in order for it to work. For instance I have a cat and a dog but I'm not in love with either of them. Main reason? Cats and Dogs don't do it for me. Nor am I in love with a random tiger at the zoo, simply because I have no form of personal relationship with them. Should I ever own my own tiger, or raise my own tiger, I'd say there's a good possibility that a love relation from my side could develop over time. But stuff like that never just happens in a matter of days.
Anyone saying they met an animal and were in love at first sight are kidding themselves and are trying to find excuses (knowingly or not) for the actual sexual lust they feel.
You don't see a hot supermodel walking down the street and go "I'm in love!!!" do you? No, you go "DAMN, that's hot". It's no different with animals.

And sure, why not have a sexual relation with an animal? No love has to be there if you don't want it to be. The animal won't give a damn since only few animals actually know what love is (And to redirect back to your previous question, having a love relation with an animal is never the same as with a human. The animal will love you, like your cat loves you, because you give it attention and food and stuff like that. But it will never be 'in love' with you.). Most animals such as dogs, horses and cats will not at all mind a sexual relation with someone they trust. If a dog knows someone in his surroundings is willing to please him/her sexually, expect that dog to be standing next to your bed with a wagging tail and a lot of lust in his/her eyes every once in a while. Sometimes stallions who are sexually active with their handler are known to get erections when they see him/her. That just goes to show that the human isn't always the one making the first move.

Hi again all :fuzzle:

Nice to see everyone is having fun :fuzzle:

I have been stopping in from time to time to see the new posts but
have been so busy, I haven't been able to reply as of yet...

Well, I'll be back later ... work calls :fuzzle:

What's even happening here?

Don't ask Facsimile, just leave them be

Long posts about animal sex, that's what!

High five...?

I would have to agree with "hambletonian" about the phrase I used. That phrase is in no way
suggestive because it is on T-shirts, bumper-stickers, and I have heard many an average
"Horse-person" use it. Matter of fact, I think we had a wooden sign with that phrase carved
into it at one of the stables I managed years ago.

It only appears suggestive here because of the topic :fuzwink:

If the topic were about training or riding horses and someone said it, no one would think it
suggestive at all :fuzzle:

Anyhow...

"Venks", I would have to go back through my entire post again to find that... but it was
obviously a typo and was meant to read as "...arguments in order to prove something..."

I'm not sure where the furries come into play (generally speaking). I only know of maybe
3 or 4 furries who are zoo and visa versa and yes, IMHO, most furries are quite strange to
say the least - and often far stranger than any zoo I have ever known. I have also found
that if you ever try to associate them with zoophiles, they will usually deny it, get angry,
and maybe even curse you out for even thinking they are closely related ... LOL

As for watching animal porn, I have mixed feelings on it. In some ways, I believe it is no
different than when two (or more) humans make a film for the sake of others to see, try,
or get turned on by, etc., while on the other hand, much of it is professionally made for
money with little or no concern for the people or animals involved. I have written many
lengthy posts on that topic alone and though I still enjoy much of it, I have mixed thoughts
about it. Personally, if the movie depicts a woman or man who has an animal with them and
that animal is and has been their lover then I see nothing wrong with it at all. What I can't
stand are the ones that depict "manhandling" of the animal or the animal looks mistreated or
malnurished. Often, even the people in those movies are mistreated as well.

Havoc, I might have to beg to differ on the "Love At First Sight" theory you give because I
have known people to have fallen in love at first sight and I have felt it before at least once
myself. It is when you get that wild chill up your spine like you have known that person (or
animal) all your life but really just met... it is when your heart pounds and you get all light
headed and find it hard to breathe. It can and does happen.

As for the rest of your post, I would have to agree with most of it, especially the parts about
how the human isn't always the one making the first move. Too bad much of society refuses
to understand that.

Anyone remember when you could say you liked shit like The Rescuers and Looney Toons without being labelled a furry?

Also, Robosexuality FTW, we get an AMAZING dental plan.

Bullshit. That is in fact thinking that you are in love with them, but in fact, you are just judging what they're like by appearane, and assuming that you'd care about them if you knew them.

And if you reply, please, refer to me as either 'Sam' or 'OddjobAbe'. Not '"OddjobAbe"'.

And I apologise if I come across as hostile. I don't mean to seem like that.

Those are the exact same feelings you'd get when being turned on amongst other things. There is no physical way to 'love' something by only looking at it. If you get feelings based on appearance then what you're feeling is lust, not love.
I'll believe you can love an animal if you spend time around that animal for a while and it just gets really cute, like licking your face, rubbing against you, that sort of stuff. But like I said before, love at first sight does not exist. Lust at first sight does.

So... what's been hap'nin since last time I was here? :fuzzle:

Why did you revive this? There has got to be something other than zoophilia that you can talk about and I'm fairly sure that we have beaten this horse. In a manner of speaking.

I approve of Zoophilia.






-woosh-

Not much, which should be obvious by the fact that there have been no new posts in a huge while. Digging up old posts is fine but make sure you have something useful to report or don't bother.

could anyone tell me, what's so sexy about critters?

Their sexy hooves.

so it's the hooves... well hm ... i thought it could be perhaps the fur, or the whiskers, or the eye colours, or that special smell, or reptile skin, or the attribute, that the vagina is coevally the anus (at least by most of the creatures), or the claws, the gnarling, the instinkt...
but i see, it's the hooves
so if someone's interested, i have some fur, i have kinda whiskers, i have deep brown eyes, i have that special smell, no reptile skin, sorry, i have a penis, but i very much like vaginas and the anus likewise (just the female one). i have claws, i can gnarl, i even can bite you if like. and i'm mostly controlled by instinkt.

OH GOD WHY WONT THIS DIE