OK, I was confused on that one!:fuzconf: But now I'm better!:fuzgrin:

I'm not Jewish, i was explaining to you who Lilith was. Jewish tradition follows the same story of the Bible what with Adam and Eve and such, so, since you believe the Bible is true, that must mean it comes from the same source, which in turn means that Lilith did have intercourse with Adam and did spawn Demons...

But it doesn't say that in the BIBLE, so I don't know about it, it might be true, but i really doubt it!

I shall explain slowly.

You think the Bible is true.
The referrence of Adam and Eve came from the Bible.
The referrence of Lilith and Adam came from some Jewish thing.
Jewish things and your belief state the same story and originate from the same place.
Therefore, since you believe the Bible, you must also believe all other scriptures linked with the Bible which include God allowing Lilith to create Demons.

So why did God create Demons?

Also, i'm finding it annoying that PA didn't answer my amazing, thooperlicious statement.

So, if you believe in Lilith, you must believe in the Bible. I highly doubt you believe the Bible is true, so Christians aren't expected to believe in Lilith either.

I don't understand what your trying to get at Jacob.

Looks like this needs a slightly different perspective. Okay:

You believe in the Bible, you follow it, study it, live by it. The Bible isn't just a book created out of nowhere, it has a start, and origin. It is, in fact, lots of scriptures, all written a long time ago, the most recent being roughly a couple of millennia back. There are scriptures, though, that are not in the Bible, even though they have the same source of the scriptures that made it into the Bible. What Jacob is trying to say is that if you believe in what the Bible says now, even after so much tampering from humans, you must surely believe all the scriptures that have exactly the same source as those in the good book.

Khanz, don't get put off. Traditionally, such debate has always been at the heart of the Oddworld Forums, and with the return of Pinky and the...well, with Grig, it's just been brought up again. This is probably one of the most peaceful such topics I've seen here.

As for scientific evidence and what not, I can see plenty of that in what Sydney had described - mutations and other changes in creatures becoming more successful because of a great chance of breeding. You keep saying science can't support evolution, yet I haven't seen you highlight any plotholes with the theory yet, save your gene one, which I can't possibly comment on because of no knowledge on the subject.

I know... I just got a little annoyed with him constantly saying I was confused. I do know what I'm talking about, and even though I type in an unorganized manner, that doesn't mean I know nothing about evolution.

So you guys want scientific proof huh... okay how's this? For the dino's turning into birds you should read both parts of this article.

http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/rr2001/r&r0104a.htm

So did I show you guys plenty of potholes now? And that is only one tiny example. I know of a lot more, and hopefully I'll do a better job of presenting them in a more obvious manner.

I don't believe in the Bible fullstop. I'm stating all that for you and Grig because you was asking me what i was getting at even though i was clearly stating what i was actually getting at...

O-M-G!! I'm saying that God created Demons!! And it was Gods plan to have Demons run around no matter how much you say Lucifer is the cause of such diabolicalness!!

And thankyou to Max for explaining in retard terms...

My thoughts on demons...
 

This is one part of the Bible I don't know much about but from what I know...

God created demons, just as he created Satan. Like humans, the spiritual beings God created had their own minds and could make their own decisions. In the Bible, demons usually did not take physical form, but did possess people, causing all sorts of mental illness and physical weakness. I think God created demons to test humans and also to make Jesus and the apostles look good (since they had authority over demons on earth). After the resurection of Jesus, the demons were no longer allowed on the earth.

As for Lilith and the others, I think they are probably made up by normal people, so they aren't real. But you never know. There are many angels with names in the Bible, so I don't see why demons couldn't. I've never heard any demon names mentioned though, with the exception of Satan, but he is the Devil which is very different.

You guys should read Luke 8:26-39. Funny story, that not many people know.

Whats the story? Please share.

Demons have races apparently, such as Legion and the like, but some also have names. Lilith as created with Adam, so technically she isn't a Demon, but she spawned Demon children and when she left Adam God killed 100 of her offspring everyday...the word "mean" and "cruel" springs to mind...and thats the sort of God you worship? He's like Saddam Hussein.

Well, your gonna have to give me really good proof to make me believe that crap!

I say we all respect one anothers opinions and walk away! I don't think anybody is helping anyone else at all. This is just an argument thread.

Actually Grig, God had to have made the demons, cause God made everything. The rest of the stuff might be crap, but Jacob is right about that.


Edit:
WOW! I found "Legion" in the Bible! It was in the verses I posted!

Basically there was a man possessed by demons. He walked around naked and lived in a cave. The demons made him do bad things so he chained himself up. But the demons made him break free and run off into the desert.

The man meets Jesus and says "What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? Please don't punish me!" Jesus asked the man his name and demons responded "Legion" because there were so many demons in the man. They asked Jesus not to send them into eternal darkess.

Jesus sent the demons into a herd of swine and the swine suddenly ran off a cliff and drowned. The now unpossessed man went away and told others about what Jesus had done.

So "Legion" is not really a particular type of demon, but the name used by the group inhabiting the man in the story.

But I thought that GOD made everything that's good or could be good...Demons are evil! Yeah, we already knew about Legion, and I knew the story. I read it the other day. And I knew that was just the name they gave... I read somewhere in the BIBLE that if you know someones name, you have power over it...so that could be why Legion didn't give the real names of all the things in that guy.

I assume that, like humans, demons were created good by God. But since they had free will, they chose to become bad. Does that clear things up? The demons couldn't have created themselves.

Actually if you read the bible god says that he is all. He says that he is good and evil and he is the creator of both. Also Jacob I don't think you saw my second post on page six. It was important to me that you read that. If you could do so I would appreciate it.

I don't exactly know what you were directing me to cos i have no idea what i was supposed to be re-reading.

Anyway, my point was if you can support your habit then you're no danger to anyone. But its the people who can't (social sludge, the human-Cockroaches, Drug-whores...fat people) that get dangerous. From selling themselves (i don't have a problem with Prostitutes if they're supporting their family, but when they're supporting a Drug habit they should be shot) to attacking people. And such.

How many people have you known who have done things like that? None? Me either. I will repeat. I have been a part of the drug culture. You have not. Sending someone to jail for using drugs makes no sense. Rehab makes sense. jail doesn't. Even people like Jacob who has been more then insightfull on this thread and who has also been something of a moral compass can say or think ignorant or misinformed things. There is also nothing wrong with prostitution. It is your body. Do what you will.

Quite a few actually...



You seemed to have misunderstood what i was getting at. If they have a Drugs problem...fine...get them help. However, if because of that Drugs problem they are attacking people/stealing/harming others then they should be put in jail.



I agree. But when using it to support a Drugs problem i think its wrong. Mainly because you will sleep with anything and everything to get the cash...which leads to infections/diseases which in turn leads to people getting infections and diseases which then spreads and ruins peoples lives...

people should all know the risks of sleeping with a prostitute. I sure do....(cough...ahem). We are in agreement on the drug problem topic then. If you had been a little more clear I would not have jumped on you. I just get irritated by the assumption that people who use drugs are immoral and bad people.