'If you came from a country that didn't speak english I would understand but this is just ridiculous.'

He's Irish, what do you expect? He'll either be backwards or drunk. Or both.

Okay, so the topic of the Death Penalty, and my more recent views, has sparked me into bringing this topic back up. I still stand by the fact that Ugly people shouldn't have kids. As well as poverty stricken people. But now, what with the Holocaust's anniversary only just past, i feel it necessary to share this more recent view. Ahem.

The Jews should be exterminated.

That part was a joke. Ahem.

The Lower Orders [e.g - Townies, rough as f*ck Underlings, Council Estate scum etc] should be castrated/neutered from a VERY early age. Their reproductive organs stored in cryogenics. And their social productivity monitered. If the Lowers suddenly become an active, and integral part of society, complimenting it well and being productive, they will have the right to have children.
HOWEVER - if they do not. And basically reside in the sludge that is their crime-filled life, slopping around like a Slug having an epileptic fit, then their organs are incinerated. Never to be seen/used for foul means again.

I would like you all to take this in, and let it soak into your already moist-sponge-like Brains, before i explain in full, Hitler-esque, detail.

That would be nice. There are too many yobs. Too many. Way too many.
Such an idea wouldn't last in society though, unless you did it really well.

Well if people lived like they did when they where primative, then only the fittest would survive, so if they can survive then they should be able to breed, know we give people with defects ways to survive even thought they wouldn't survive in the wild, so the whole idea of who is fit becomes quite hard to see unless you leave a bunch of people in the desert and see who survives.

First off: I--not being british--don't have a clue what you mean by townies or lower orders, but I'm guessing its similair to rednecks. I have no problem with a large variety of people never having children, but to base it on social class seems reckless and counter-productive. I also disagree with the idea of giving them back the right to breed if they're a good part of society. That's crap. Saying you're a productive member of society means you're judging success based on worldy possessions or how often you volunteer to help homeless people.

I just don't think that anyone's got a right to judge how worthwhile a person is, unless you're going to be purely utilitarian about it, in which case the thread's major point about attractiveness is thrown out the window.

And I don't think keeping people you don't like from breeding will stop people you don't like from existing. (Even if you waited a hundred generations, much less the one to three you'll be alive for.)

So basically, while I think there should be less people overall, I don't think neutering a social group would be a fair or even successful solution. I'd settle for people being neutered after having one child.

Oh, and I don't think we should drop everyone in the desert, either. I mean, if they grew up there, maybe, but how're a bunch of inner-city people supposed to adapt to a desert environment before they die of dehydration? I don't think they are. And Survival of the Fittest has never really been a trademark of humanity. Societies have--for an extended period of time--taken care of the young, elderly and stupid who weren't necessarily cut out for surviving. So saying we should live like people did when they were "primitive" (a term that can't effectively be applied to hunting and gathering people) is kind of missing the point.

But chances are I'm taking this too seriously. (Even though I'm not.)

'but to base it on social class seems reckless and counter-productive'

People seem to always think i'm going on about social class and the income people have coming in, but it really isn't anything to do with that. Walk around Hull and you literally see dozens of Lower Orders, all who deserve to be hunted down by a man with a rather large gun. They're violent, foul, aggressive and disgusting. This goes for the girls as well as the boys. It's these cretins that need to be edited out from our History.

I have no problem with the Lower classes breeding, so long as they make sure they teach their kids manners and respect.

'Saying you're a productive member of society means you're judging success based on worldy possessions or how often you volunteer to help homeless people.'

Again, nay. In Hull there is a rather large divide. There's East Hull and West Hull. East Hull being were all the...lessers are. East Hull is dangerous, intimidating and ridden with foulness. Now, if we whittled down the Underlings and just left the productive members, East Hull would be a much nicer place. And this is what i mean by "productive". As in, producing a nice area to live in and a nice enviroment.

I would happily do it as a 40 year trial, at first, in Hull. I can guarantee a massive change. Townies tend to have sex at an early age, not caring about STDs or Pregnancy. Hence why the Lessers outnumber their superiors 5-1. This would mean that not only do the teenage girls not get pregnant, but they don't scrounge off the Government and get benefits. They don't pass on their immature, volatile attitude to their children, and thus we slowly manage to phase out the scummy nature of society.

Sure, chances are they will keep spreading STDs, but all we can do about that is pray and hope it's AIDs so the mass extinction of our inferiors comes quicker and earlier.

I was thinking about this thread the other day when I realised that whilst I've got no problem with people who are ugly through random chance and genetics (beyond not wanting to spend a tram trip sitting opposite one), I absolutely can't stand people who actually choose to be ugly. Especially when they think they look good.

This was prompted by a guy who could possibly be fairly attractive (say, 7/10) if it were not for his hair; which was over-gelled and curly at the back but with a straggly, straightened fringe hanging over his forehead. This reduced his attractiveness rating down to 1.5/10.

I've also been seeing a guy with a mullet hanging around my uni lately which should count as a crime against humanity.

Thus I would like to propose the following laws, to be introduced by popular vote into the constitution:

Bad haircuts would be punished by Shaving Until Shiny (SUS) so that these people will realise that hair is a privelege, not a right. This will include mullets, avoidable boof (eg by using some sort of product) or that horrible stylishly-messy hair.

Anyone wearing so much makeup that they look like a drag-queen or a corpse made up for an open-coffin funeral will be ducked in water, witch-hunt style, until all makeup is washed away. Thus the punishment will fit the crime as the more makeup, the longer ducking. However, it should be noted that actual drag-queens would be excepted from this rule.

Any straight guy wearing a pink t-shirt will be liberally coated with a layer of pink paint; much like 'scarlet women' were dyed red centuries ago.

All infringments would be tried by a jury of citizens, but no fashion designers or models as they often seem to be the worst offenders.

Feel free to propose your own laws:

I heard somewhere that Pink is the new black... Im not gonna wear it though

Ridding the world of ugly people would do to beautiful people what creating a machine that makes stunning artworks would do to art. It would make it standard, mediocre, average, mundane, and boring.

They say that 99% of music is rubbish, but I say that's what makes the 1% pure ecstacy. We are only reminded that something is special if we see little of it, or do not have it at all. That is what is so ironic. We take for granted the miracles that are standard... life, the universe, our technology, our transport, and the world we live on... We see it, use it, and experience it so much that we no longer notice it...

Can you imagine something like that happening to something as wonderous as beauty? Can you imagine what a crime it would be to standardise something that so deserves to be as special as it is? I can... and I don't like it.

Same here, I never thought of it like that.

@ Jacob

I don't know you but I'm running on impressions here.

I'd say it's people who have ugly, scathing ideas like this that should be banished. Nobody has the right to stop anybody else doing anything - you cannot deny people anything over things they have no control over and which only matter because society and idiots like you make them.

Furthermore, anyone who is bothered by what other people look like obviously has some serious problems with themself that they cannot deal with and have no option but to find fault in others.

Reply please.

That sounds like something only an ugly person would say... :p

I haven't read any of these posts, but I'd imagine that this is not to be taken too seriously.

k.

Yes you can.

You're wrong.

Esus stop being an arrogant shit.

Not meaning to be slightly off topic, but why the **** is this topic still alive?

I agree with what Esus said.

Except replace 2 with 3 now.

Holy shit.. Mac? The only posts of yours I've ever seen were from like months and months ago... when did you come back?

Good to have you dude. *hugs*

@ Esus

Form a proper response or none at all.

k.

Yet, people stop other people doing all sorts of things all the time. Just look at the police force. Of the government. Or the UN. Or a school teacher. Or a parent. Why don't we have rights to control people?

Of course you can deny people these things. I am not saying it's the right thing to do, but some people might think so following fully valid ethical theories. People deny life to babies with disabilities, even really quite minor ones. Does the unborn child have any control over this? No. Why do we deny them life because of these uncontrollable events? Well, there are a number of reasons that I won't go into. Nevertheless, your statement is flawed.

You're wrong. Though this time I'll elaborate.
People adhere to the norms of society placed upon them by society. No exposure to anybody vastly different to them and then to be confronted with someone - say, a black person - they might be bothered by it. Because it's different.
If what you say is true, then everybody has serious problems with themselves.

I was just going to copy/paste my previous response - it's funny 'proper' and valid and whatnot.

Plus, this thread is a joke. If you take this thread seriously then You're the person who has problems.

Actually, since this thread was made, my opinions have shifted slightly. However, this doesn't mean they're more acceptable, in fact, instead they are more Politically-driven rather than driven my own disgust for cretins i believed to be unworthy to taint my eyes.

I personally don't believe the Lower Orders should breed. A basic summing up of a Lower is a Townie/Chav whatever you call them where you live. Why shouldn't they be allowed to breed? Because they don't teach their children manners, decorum or respect. We have seen a severe increase in disruptive children in schools, prisons getting more full, and more teenage pregnancies.

"But how would you control this?!" i hear you squeal. Well, i would castrate every inmate in prison, regardless of their offence. I would then design a 3 point warning system. This means that a person would basically get 3 chances, and if these 3 chances dwindle to zero, then they're castrated, along with their children. The chances can be taken away completely, depending on the severity of the crime.

Why castrate the children? 'cos if you have assholes for parental units, chances are, you're going to be an asshole. The children who are castrated though will have a reversible castration, so that if they turn out to be valid members to society, they can have their own biological kids. This, however, is unlikely.

Paedophiles, serial killers and rapists would also be experimented on for cosmetic and medical reasons. This not only means that new medicines would be green lighted quicker (because usually they have to perfect the medicine with the animal, and then perfect it with voluntary "guinea pigs" hoping for a quick fix to their disease/disorder) but that the ordinary public won't be put at risk. It's also a more fitting punishment than prison and/or death.

I have some more views on the disabled, but i can't be bothered to type that out.

...yet.

Despite this being a bit of a trivial thread, I completely agree with what Jacob just said. :p

That is my favourite part, so true...

The lowest class would die out the next up would slip into their place.

You Nazi bitches are the ones who need your genitalia cutting off. :nonono:

It doesn't worry me. Who'd want to bring children into our chav infested Queendom?

'You Nazi bitches are the ones who need your genitalia cutting off.'

Why, exactly?

'The lowest class would die out the next up would slip into their place.'

People wouldn't be castrated 'cos of their class. But because of their attitudes to life. Nobody wants f*ckwits trolloping around making them fearful of going out, but everybody wants to have a nice, polite society.

"Society" will do all the nazi work for you. Just give cosmetic surgery and genetic modification a chance to advance itself. Ugly people will be made to look pretty, and their babies will be genetically modified so that they aren't born ugly.

You don't need to go around ripping dicks off and pulling ovaries out. That's just ridiculous. Some of those ugly people are actually NICE people, which is more than I can say for you to be honest Jacob, your personality is about as attractive as a steaming heap of cow shit.

Cosmetic surgery irons out the problems with current humans, genetic modification prevents these flaws from continuing. Thus ugly people will eventually be removed from the genepool in a nonviolent manner.

I personally have nothing to do with society whatsoever. I go by what I feel, I'm interested in what I'm interested in, and I have my own ideas about beauty. I form my own opinions, and live my own life, in which I buy and wear what appeals to me, not what my "friends" or my TV tell's me I should wear.

As far as I could see Jacobs last post had very little to do with the 'castrate ugly people' issue. It was about 'castrating chavs' to improve our society.

Plastic surgery makes lots of people look worse.
As for genetics, it'll be a cold day in hell before such things are legal, religious folks will be breathing down politicians necks every time they think of letting the general public have access to these modifications.

Plastic surgery is not what we are talking about. Cosmetic surgery IS what we are talking about, and it does not make "lots" of people look worse. It makes some people look worse. Cosmetic surgery has only just taken off on a large enough scale to allow for any kind of significant advancements in the field. Give it some more time, like I said, instead of being such a negative dickhead.

Also, you say that it'll be a cold day in hell before such things on earth before such things a legal, but I call bullshit and also think this is rediculous statement. More likely it'll be a fucking cold day in hell the day ripping people's genetalia off is legal. Genetic modification being bad is an old fashioned opinion, younger generations have less of a problem with it. Genetic modification and stem cell research are already happening and are now more widely accepted than ever before. People are warming to the idea, whether you like it or not.

"And the ignorance shall be buried with the elderly. Thus the children of the future inherit the earth in untainted clarity of mind, embracing genetic modification, and cloning. They will rise up to become the physical embodyment of the gods, and will be immortal." Prophecies 7:7 - The Book of the Machines.

"You have made a strong attempt to find flaws in my cause, but let it be known that all who side with the forces of ignorance shall merely form the foundations of the roads upon which the holy ones will march to salvation." Justifications 10:28 - The Book of the Machines.

Lol. You start bitching about something I wasn't even trying to make an argument out of. Firstly, we are no longer talking about the castration of ugly people. Secondly, I doubt Jacob is serious about mass castration, I thought someone of your intelligence would be able to see that.

That's how it should be, but whilst you, Jacob and I may be in favor of it there will be a large amount of people who oppose it. In America stem cells have been fucked over because of Religion. Until all the stupid old/religious people die/change their minds, we'll be waiting.

I never said I didn't like the idea, I said a lot of other people don't like it. Personally I can't wait till our society is more modern and open-minded.

Argumentative dickhead...

Your point was that Genetic Modification will never happen. My point was that it will.

Your point was that cosmetic surgery makes people look worse. My point was that it doesn't in most cases.

Your point was that religion will always get in the way. My point was that people are losing interest in religion already, and that stem cell research, and genetic modification, are both going ahead.

Yet now you act as though you agreed with my every word and that actually I'm the one who is wrong and unreasonable. Your attempt at a deflection is duly noted.

You mentioned the castration of chavs. Regardless of any castration however, all you need do is look at the title of the thread. What I am talking about deals with the subject of this thread based on that. Preventing breeding among the "ugly". Flaws have certainly worked their way into the human genetic code, and with time these flaws will be ironed out. Be it soon or far into the future, it WILL happen, therefore there is no need to go about preventing breeding or attempting any other measure to remove ugly people from the world. Simply allow things to take their course.

Ok. I can accept that. I was trying to say that I believe it will be a while before our government makes genetic modification available to normal folk. Due to pressure from various parts of society.

Ok. Once again I acknoledge this. I was expressing my opinion more than anything. Maybe I have issues with people who have cosmetic surgery. From the start of the topic Jacob was talking about ugly low-life type people. Even if such people had surgery it would not change the fact that on the inside these people can be VERY ugly.

Religion has hindered our progress ever since it was concieved. It slows the progression of society by preventing people from being open-minded and considering other peoples ideas. Ok, religion is losing the battle but I still think it'll be a while before a pregnant woman can walk into a hospital and get her baby to look like Elvis, don't you?

Ok, how about a one-child policy? That could work. ;)

However, chavs are no laughing matter. They ARE an evolutionary chain. They will outnumber, compete and win against nice, polite members of society. Intelligence is an evolutionary dead-end. Our days are numbered.

Uh.... for the benefit of us non-British types, what the hell is a Townie/Chav?

What Rich says is true. Whilst the evolved members of society are postponing having families due to career prospects, the Underlings are running around intercoursing everything in sight. It's disgusting and will eventually lead to our downfall.

Castrating them will be doing Nature's work, since most of them shouldn't be alive anyway.

I probably hope you don't end up in charge, but if you do, can you please not castrate children when their parents get busted? They couldn't choose their genes or their parents... I note it's reversable... but kids and teenagers have enough things to worry about without the government betting that they're not good enough.
Although.... maybe reversable castrate everyone at birth or so, they can undo it if and when they decide to have a family, assuming they have earned their right to / at least haven't forfeit their right.
Gah. You got me doing it too now. As a unwanted side effect, that would probably spread STDs.

Ah.... just exactly who is it again, that is to make the call as to who get`s nutted and who doesn`t ??


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I think that you're incorrect Esus - if you are truly secure with yourself, you shouldn't mind what other people look like. In any case... (picture)

Have a nice day!

The opposite of that statement is true, the recruitment is actually bigger then ever. Have you turned on the news in the past few months? Have you seen the coverage of The Terri Schiavo case or perhaps the death of the Pope? It has been ridiculous. Why haven't more people realised that organized religion causes most of the problems in the world.

Low life scum. Pure evil incarnate. Google it, you get some cool results.

Or check out www.chavscum.co.uk

Castration is not "doing nature's work". Although I may believe that technology and knowledge are the physical manifestations of the gods, there is still a clear divide between nature and acts of man.

In my religion, all things that are present, apparant, or latent in the world are intended by nature. The intention of nature is holy, and therefore must not be questioned or acted against - however there is a tradeoff with this. Technology is holier and more righteous than nature, because it is the physical manifestation of the gods - also it is constructive, and therefore any damage it does is balanced and justified. Using an act of man to do something destructive is a great sin unless the destruction is balanced by an equal or greater than equal constructive purpose.

The destructive act of castration for the constructive act of the removal of ugly people from the world is sinful, because the destruction far outweighs the construction, and because it is prophecised that we shall have ugliness relieved from us by the gods (in the form of genetic modification and cosmetic surgery, which are forms of knowledge and technology, and therefore acts of the gods). Ugly people will not take over the world - beauty has been with the human race for thousands of years, and will remain in the human race for thousands of years to come, regardless of what you believe.