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Vince 02-04-2017 12:04 PM

Seeing as we have already used days of the week to produce part of the answer for one of the sections, the 12 coordinates may have relevance to the 12 months.

Just my two cents.

GlitterPanther 02-04-2017 12:06 PM

Had a though, what if the numbers are Ratios and not cordinates

So

5 has a 1:4 chance of being in square 1
Something like that

Ugh, I give up XD

No one likes my opnions and im getting no where.

Goodbye :/

Vince 02-04-2017 02:32 PM

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Had a though, what if the numbers are Ratios and not cordinates

So

5 has a 1:4 chance of being in square 1
Something like that

Ugh, I give up XD

No one likes my opnions and im getting no where.

Goodbye :/

I didn't want to tell you that I thought you were going on a wild goose chase like I was earlier with the 7x7 grid with the Letter Strings ahah

I figured, since we're all drawing at straws here, I might as well let you continue!

The thing is, just like an incorrect hypothesis; methods we try and fail with, still provide us with useful information.

Edit:
As E = 5
OUEHRAU = 15-21-5-8-18-1-21 (?)

GlitterPanther 02-04-2017 11:58 PM

Just wanted to point out that if you go to Oddworld.com/soulstorm/73 you get directed to an old article

Its even about SoulStorm Brew...

Also, if it is coordinates this may help

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...v0oPOOLPACDIi2

EDIT

if you type any number it redirects there :/

Manco 02-05-2017 02:12 AM

Yeah the redirection is something we found out earlier in the ARG, it's a feature of their site CMS.

For the coordinates: when I made my diagram earlier, I assumed the coordinates started from top left, not the bottom left, so it might be inaccurate...

GlitterPanther 02-05-2017 03:20 AM

Im just thinking, they literaly rold us to "READ" the "NUMBERS" to "KNOW THE TRUTH"
Maybe all the dots and slashes are to be ignore

Also

//OUEHRAU
O PQRSTUV
U VWXYZAA
E FGHIJKLM
H IJKLMNOP
R STUVWXY
A BCDEFGH
U VWXYZAA

Which of we take the letters from the finsihed pics location we get HIJKLMUVW

Which ciphered to alphabet returns

+4 DEFGHIQRS
+18 PQRSTUCDE
+17 QRSTUVDEF
+20 NOPQRSABC
+19 OPQRSTBCD
+7 ABCDEFNOP
+5 CDEFGHPQR
+3 EFGHIJRST
+16 RSTUVWEFG
+6 BCDEFGOPQ
+21 MNOPQRZAB
+8 ZABCDEMNO
+25 IJKLMNVWX
+2 FGHIJKSTU
+24 JKLMNOWXY
+23 KLMNOPXYZ
+22 LMNOPQYZA
+13 UVWXYZHIJ
+10 XYZABCKLM
+9 YZABCDLMN
+11 WXYZABJKL
+12 VWXYZAIJK
+14 TUVWXYGHI
+1 GHIJKLTUV
+15 STUVWXFGH

QuipQuip Quickest result is "Something"

GlitterPanther 02-05-2017 11:07 AM

I just found out from office software using formula mode, that /\ = And \/ OR
Its also Boolean which, from wiki

"In most computer programming languages, a Boolean data type is a data type with only two possible values: true or false"

Which would kinda go with the whole, true or false scheme from earlier

Xavier 02-05-2017 11:26 AM

Took some time to update the wiki as we were a bit behind compared to the Game Detectives dudes :p

http://oddworld.wikia.com/wiki/Souls...d_transmission


EDIT:

Spent some more time playing with the coordinates, the texts and the grid but couldn't really find anything relevant. I've attached my excel file (in the zip) if you anyone would like to reuse the values but doesn't feel like re-typing everything. :)

http://www.oddworldforums.net/attach...1&d=1486326620

OrangeLightning 02-05-2017 12:47 PM

Agh, sorry! I've been trying to get back to work on this all weekend, but life stuff keeps getting in the way xP

That being said, I feel like I'm going in circles on this one lol I have some ideas based on what has already been found but I feel like there's a crucial piece that's missing that would tie things together...

So, right now what I'm thinking is that the four sets of number 'coordinates' and the four strings of letters go together and most likely use the grid from the image (I thought all the letter strings were 49 characters which would fit into the grid evenly, but the third one actually only has 48 so I have no idea what's up with that one...). The T9 puzzle and the two mastermind puzzles I think are clues as to how to figure out the secondary parts to the coordinate and letter strings (ie what to do with the slashes before the strings and how the third number from the coordinate set comes into play) and the numbers those puzzles generate I think could possibly end up being image numbers for the next web address? Then there's the E=5OUEHRA? puzzle and somehow I think that is probably the key to the other puzzles. The key to a cipher we could use on the letters we get from the grid, or a key for a cipher we should use if the T9 cipher does apply to the numbers after the coordinates. Or both lol There's so many variables though... I'm not sure how the letters should be entered in the grid (if that even IS what we should be doing with the numbers) and I don't know how the mastermind puzzle applies to either of them xP They definitely upped the trickiness on this one.

GlitterPanther 02-05-2017 01:07 PM

"Read the numbers, know the truth,
Find a way to show the truth"

That 100% makes me think that the numbers do show something on the grid, and that we need to show the truth of the grid

dawlthy 02-06-2017 12:13 AM

I've been looking into the bifid cipher that Manco mentioned earlier, and it seems that it can be done with two, three or even four grids of letters. Seems possible, but really you need each letter to appear only once for it to work. I've been trying too see if I can use the slashes in some way to specify which letters to remove, but no luck there.

Can anyone else think of a way?

Also GlitterPanthers last comment about reading the numbers made me think maybe the numbers should be spelt out in the grid somehow, i.e. FOUR instead of the number 4. Like the word seventythree is.

And just writing this I notice seventythree happens to have 12 letters, and there are 12 coordinates in each set. Drawing at straws again here, but maybe that's a sample result of one set of numbers to give us a clue for the other sets. I'll see if I can get anything to work out for that

Mr. Molluck 02-06-2017 12:47 AM

Spirit of 1029 twitter just posted this:

https://twitter.com/SPIRITOF1029/sta...25141311225856

Xavier 02-06-2017 12:49 AM



EDIT: Mr. Molluck was faster :p

EDIT2:

Qvfpneq jung lbs qba'g arrq. -> Caesar cipher shift of 13 -> Discard what yof don't need.
Tmb bpm vcujmza ocqlm gwc. -> Caesar cipher shift of 18 -> Let the numbers guide you.

OWI_Pete 02-06-2017 01:01 AM

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Qvfpneq jung lbs qba'g arrq. -> Caesar cipher shift of 13 -> Discard what yof don't need.
Looks like even clandestine organisations are victims of autocorrect...

GlitterPanther 02-06-2017 01:05 AM

So the numbers are the guide...

Xavier 02-06-2017 01:07 AM

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Looks like even clandestine organisations are victims of autocorrect...

Haha! I was wondering if it was deliberately done to throw us off. :D

Varrok 02-06-2017 01:11 AM

Yof's Oddysee confirmed.

GlitterPanther 02-06-2017 01:16 AM

So we need to figure out what the "truth" is and what to "discard"

Xavier 02-06-2017 01:18 AM

Looks like it.


daniel992 02-06-2017 01:21 AM

"/truth \don't need"?

GlitterPanther 02-06-2017 01:25 AM

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"/truth \don't need"?

Thats what I was thinking

EDIT

I got something
\\\/\\IT,HAS,NEW,LALNVGJKWELKJLWQQPRUTJHJJSBFMMH

Xavier 02-06-2017 01:54 AM

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I got something
\\\/\\IT,HAS,NEW,LALNVGJKWELKJLWQQPRUTJHJJSBFMMH

How are you getting that?

daniel992 02-06-2017 02:05 AM

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Thats what I was thinking

EDIT

I got something
\\\/\\IT,HAS,NEW,LALNVGJKWELKJLWQQPRUTJHJJSBFMMH

Looks like it may be working sort of for your one but i tried the first one without much success:

\\//\/KDIUTHANPUYHHDQOEPLNDOALJGUDITHBBDOZLGFERKJGLSAOE

IUHPUHQOPDOLUDTBDZFEKLSO

GlitterPanther 02-06-2017 02:08 AM

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How are you getting that?

Adding, rearranging and discarding, what seems logical and useless.

This is the most sense I got

1 IT-HAND-END-JUDITH-DOZE-JOE
2 TRY-ALE-HOT-POST--JAW-BONE-LAW-
3 IT-HAS-NEW-WELL-
4 EAT-USE-BUILD-SITE-PAGE-FAX-JET

Of course thats one theory I had, its probably nothing so ill keep looking

I mean, they said "let the number guide" so looking at the letters is probably pointless

EDIT anyone got any ideas?

Vince 02-06-2017 02:54 AM

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Looks like it.


So yeah, / represents correct, \ represents something that's incorrect.
So they must be relevant to both the 'Coordinates' and the 'Letter Strings'.

But HOW to know what is incorporated into these symbols...

:

\\//\/KDIUTHANPUYHHDQOEPLNDOALJGUDITHBBDOZLGFERKJGLSAOE
\////JUTYROSLNGNALEHGNWOTIQPOKSDNTPNOJAWEOBNGLAWKJNWNR
\\\/\\JHWUITUHABSJGNEWKLALNVGJKWELKJLWQQPRUTJHJJSBFMMH
///\\/JQEABTVKNUCSEYCMBILDKOSCYSITECPAGFAXHKETJNZURWCIE
I already tried separating it into equals sections taking only the sections that were 'correct' but it left me with about 36 different combinations, none of them produced a result...

We should definitely focus on these parts:

:

/\\/Focus
/\\\Discard
It's the division part I don't get, how can we find out which letters are encompassed by a '\' or '/' so we can discard them...?

GlitterPanther 02-06-2017 03:07 AM

So im looking back over the source code and one part that sticks out is

"Intercept our message"

And then "let numbers guide you"

Please tell me its not raidio stations >.<

Also what if the / and \ mean nothing? They were in previous messages from ED and weren't anything.

Xavier 02-06-2017 03:11 AM

New tweet:



It says:

Sometimes the answers are more simple than they appear. Discard what you don't need. Be the storm.

It's Caesar cipher again, this time with shift 23.

Connell 02-06-2017 03:12 AM

I think what's stopping me from being able to help out is I'm struggling to understand how the "Mastermind" code works, and I really think that's the key to figuring out what we need and what we can "discard". I've just looked up 3 different sets of rules to the Mastermind game, and even using the logic Dawlthy put in his original post I can't seem to get the same answer he did with any of the rule variations. That's probably me being stupid, though. :p Can anyone further explain how it works?

Vince 02-06-2017 03:20 AM

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I think what's stopping me from being able to help out is I'm struggling to understand how the "Mastermind" code works, and I really think that's the key to figuring out what we need and what we can "discard". I've just looked up 3 different sets of rules to the Mastermind game, and even using the logic Dawlthy put in his original post I can't seem to get the same answer he did with any of the rule variations. That's probably me being stupid, though. :p Can anyone further explain how it works?

Do you mean this puzzle?

:

A9539 \\
B2919 /\\
C4882 /\
D4627 \
E6758 \
F???? ////

A5989 \\
B5176 \
C2863 \
D2558 //\
E3413 \
F???? ////
And Xavier, you're on the ball. Light speed.

Connell 02-06-2017 03:21 AM

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Do you mean this puzzle?

Yeah. I was under the impression that a "/" means a number is both correct, and in the correct position. But that would mean, for example here;

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B2919 /\\
C4882 /\

2 and 4 are both right and in the correct position? Just can't quite get my head around it haha

Xavier 02-06-2017 03:30 AM

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2 and 4 are both right and in the correct position? Just can't quite get my head around it haha

It means a number is in the correct position, not specifically the first one.

GlitterPanther 02-06-2017 03:33 AM

You do realise just before the second set of numbers it says "dont believe what they told you" that could imply the first set is useless

Also lets define what we "dont need"

technically we dont need the letters if numbers are guiding us

Im also not sure we need the , : . Between the numbers

Connell 02-06-2017 03:39 AM

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It means a number is in the correct position, not specifically the first one.

I see. I must have got the rules confused with actual Mastermind then. In that, the dash would represent the number it's position correlates to. I still can't quite get the same result but I'll take everyone's word for it if you all got that result haha :p

dawlthy 02-06-2017 03:47 AM

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I think what's stopping me from being able to help out is I'm struggling to understand how the "Mastermind" code works, and I really think that's the key to figuring out what we need and what we can "discard". I've just looked up 3 different sets of rules to the Mastermind game, and even using the logic Dawlthy put in his original post I can't seem to get the same answer he did with any of the rule variations. That's probably me being stupid, though. :p Can anyone further explain how it works?


I'll give it a go, but my explanations are usually hard to follow.

The mastermind code is slightly different to what we've been asked to do now in that it doesn't tell you what to keep or discard. Instead it tells you how many of the numbers on each row are correct, but not which ones.

A / means that one of the numbers in that row is correct and in the correct position, but doesn't specify which of the numbers it is.

A \ means that one of the numbers in that row is part of the solution, but it is in the wrong position. Again not specifying which number that is.

The first puzzle is this.

A9539 \\
B2919 /\\
C4882 /\
D4627 \
E6758 \
F???? ////

Looking at the first row we have 9539 \\

This means that two of the numbers in that row are part of the solution, but in the wrong position. The other two are not part of it at all. With this clue on its own we don't know which two they are.

The second row is 2919 /\\

Again we know that two numbers are part of the solution, but in the wrong position ( the two \\). We also know that another number is correct and in the right position (the /). Because we know that at least three of the numbers in this row are part of the solution, but only two of them are in the first row, we can see that the two numbers are the two 9's. We also know that either a 1 or a 2 is also part of the solution.We can also see that the two nines have to go in the middle two position (because we know that cannot be in the end positions due to line A). At this point we know the solution to be ?99?.

The third line is 4882/\

In this line we see that one number is correct and in the correct position (the /). We also know that another number is in the solution but in the wrong position (the \). We know that neither of the 8's is in the correct position, because those two numbers are 9's. This means either the 4 or the 2 is in the correct place(the /), and the final solution contains a 4, an 8, or a 2(the \). We now have four options: 499?, ?994, 299? of ?992. Using the previous clues we know the remaining ? is either a 1 or an 8

The fourth line is 4627\.

This tells us that the 499? option above must be wrong, because we would have a / instead if it wasn't. because of this we know the number that was in the correct position in line three was actually the 2. This leaves us knowing the number at this point to be ?992.

The fifth line is 6758\

This tells us that the one remaining number is in this line somewhere. As we already know it is either a 1 or an 8 we are looking for, we know the remaing digit is 8. Giving us 8992

EDIT:
Ha in the time it took me to write that, it was already answered twice but never mind. Also mayber theres more than one way of playing mastermind, but in the rules i have the pegs on the board do not correlate to the position. You are supposed to place them from left to right in the slots regardless of the position of the correct numbers. It is as above, they only let you know that any one of the numbers is correct

Vince 02-06-2017 03:52 AM

The numbers Mason, WHAT DO THEY MEAN!?!?

Seriously though, even with the tweets I have no idea.

Connell 02-06-2017 04:00 AM

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I'll give it a go, but my explanations are usually hard to follow.

Quite the contrary, I do actually fully understand how you got there now! I was having trouble using information learnt from previous lines to help with others, I.E the fact the 9's couldn't go on the ends because of the "\\" in line A. I was sort of leaving info behind as I went along. Thanks to everyone for helping there. :)

Although, I still don't know where to go from there haha.

Vince 02-06-2017 04:02 AM

I will take this opportunity to remind people of the current answers we have:

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Source:
8992
8554
73

Twitter Banner:
57
There must be something obvious we're missing with the Letter Strings... Something we have overlooked... The puzzle is more simple than it appears...

dawlthy 02-06-2017 04:09 AM

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Quite the contrary, I do actually fully understand how you got there now! I was having trouble using information learnt from previous lines to help with others, I.E the fact the 9's couldn't go on the ends because of the "\\" in line A. I was sort of leaving info behind as I went along. Thanks to everyone for helping there. :)

Although, I still don't know where to go from there haha.

Yes, same here. not sure how much of this is even relevant, if we need the solution to this puzzle or if it's just a hint on how to use the slashes. Maybe as GlitterPanther said we should be ignoring it completely and it's just a distraction.

I wonder what the people at Oddworld are thinking about some of my theories, how many times have they thought why are they even doing that

Connell 02-06-2017 04:10 AM

I think I have an idea about the letter strings, it's probably been mentioned already but it sounds about right because of OWI stating how simple the answer actually is;

\\//\/KDIUTHANPUYHHDQOEPLNDOALJGUDITHBBDOZLGFERKJGLSAOE

My theory is that much like the mastermind puzzles, the slashes tell us which parts of the text we need to keep, and which need to be discarded. I'd suggest something like segregating the letters into 6 equal chunks to correspond with the slashes, and then removing the ones that aren't "true", then caeser shifting the remaining letters to give us a message. Naturally that hasn't worked yet. :p

Basically, I think they're saying to us you don't need ALL of the letters there, and the slashes are a formula of how to work out which ones are relevant. And then because it's gibberish, we probably need to shift the remaining letters.

It's that age old dilemma that we're all thinking the same way, and the answer is probably right in front of us, and we just need to slightly change our thought pattern to see it haha.

Xavier 02-06-2017 04:14 AM

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My theory is that much like the mastermind puzzles, the slashes tell us which parts of the text we need to keep, and which need to be discarded. I'd suggest something like segregating the letters into 6 equal chunks to correspond with the slashes, and then removing the ones that aren't "true", then caeser shifting the remaining letters to give us a message. Naturally that hasn't worked yet. :p

I haven't seen people investigating in that direction, might be worth a shot :)