I'll add more exclamation marks next time. I'm sensitive to the needs of the irony impaired.

I wonder what liquid death would taste like... I bet it would be an exquisite gourmet experience.

This page of this thread confuses me. Nepsotic seems to be making complete sense and everyone else isn't.

Let's lay some groundwork:
OANST's post about fearing the loss of life in terms of accomplishments not met: I don't think anyone is disputing this point.

However, some people seem to fear death beyond that level. Some people fear the concept of death even after a long life of incredible acheivement. I don't understand why.

A few pages back, there was a discussion about the concept of nothingness after death. Some people found that concept frightening and stated it in such a way that it seemed like they thought they would be floating in infinite blackness for eternity. Death as sensory deprivation, effectively. As far as I can see, Nepsotic is responding specifically to those people and no-one else. He's saying that nothingness isn't frightening because you won't be conscious of the nothingness.


So, if you're going to post in this thread now, please make it clear who you're responding to, what you think that person is saying and what your point is.

I HAVE

MULTIPLE TIMES

JESUS CHRIST

Nepsotic is saying that being afraid of what comes after death is silly, because it's nothing.

Joe is arguing that it's perfectly rational to fear death because it's nothing.

Nepsotic completely agrees that it's rational to fear death, but says that it isn't to fear the post-death nothing. This is what is causing everyone confusion, myself included.

Isn't being afraid of death the fear of that nothingness?

I think this varies from person to person. The first time I truly realized I was alive was about two and a half sitting on the couch trying to play Mortal Kombat with my dad. Any "memories" from before then were like... really blurry still images. Like a slideshow. And I was looking down upon myself in white sheets while very strange, yet soothing, music was playing. Next thing I knew I was looking at a screen through tunnel vision and my dad was babbling some nonsense off at me while I was holding a controller.

Most of my friends don't even know what their first memory was or when they first gained consciousness.

I kind of wonder sometimes what would have happened had I died within that little time frame that all I can see are still pictures of myself. Would I have seen it? Maybe that little glimpse of whatever it was might have been the only taste of life I'd ever get. It's interesting to think about.

And as for a more general message... Being afraid of nonexistence is completely understandable. And really, it's all the more reason you should live life to your fullest, however it is you define a full life. As long as you're content it shouldn't matter either way. Make the existence you have right now worth it.

There's a reoccurring theme with being alive and having a fear of the unknown. I'm pretty certain a good handful of the time people who aren't afraid of death tend not to be bothered by not understanding certain things.

Your first memory has very little to do with you first gaining consciousness.

Generally your first true memory is around the time you gain consciousness, am I wrong?

If you can remember where you were, what you were doing, and understood that you existed, I'm pretty certain that first big memory has a lot to do with you first gaining consciousness.

Yes. The brain isn't that simple. You can speak before you can remember, unless you're implying that your first words were said unconsciously?

Essentially, I am saying that exactly.

You're wrong.

Probably.

Definitely. First memories have nothing to do with self awareness and consciousness.

Yeah I kind of gave up what I was going on about when WoF said that, thank you very much.

E: That referring to:

Hey. You're wrong.

Oh no I have been invalidated

Woe is me

Everyone has their own job on this forum, and mine isn't yet sorted, so if it's ok, I would like to be the grammar police.
Fixed. I think I have OCD.

The lack of any punctuation at all was intentional.

I have OCD.

Yeah, it's a stylistic thing to indicate irony.

Hey. You left the period off of the second sentence when you were grammar policing.

Let's have a thread on morbid obesity next.

No point, it would be a waste of a thread as the only thing that needs to be said about obesity is "fridge at the end of a treadmill". Problems solved.

Plus "O.K." should be in capitals, preferably with periods, and one of those commas should really be a semicolon.

At least it would be entertaining. I'm tired of all of these "look how smart I am!" threads in OT lately. Let's talk about fat people, farts, clowns, penises, and clown penises already.

fat clown penises farting

Now that's a topic!

Time to discuss it in great detail.

None will ever surpass The Thread Thread.

Post pictures of thread! Needles optional.

really

I feel a strange compulsion to draw this. I so would... I just may actually.


Either way people, back to discussing the boring topic at hand. Make a better thread if you find this too boring.

I'm tempted. I really am.

Then do it. But please, next post made, be on topic. I don't really want to threaten with infractions.
There's no reason to post in here if you don't like the topic and have no intention in discussing it.

I do, but to be honest I think we've milked it dry now. Theres not really anything left to discuss.

You could try refuting my asseration that it's entirely logical to fear death, and you, by pretending upon a higher level of understanding think you're justified in looking down on people that do, are a fucking moron.

You still haven't.

Alright, calm your passion! If you look back at my previous posts, you will see that I specifically say that... Actually, it's not even worth it, I give up. I keep trying to explain to you but you continiously ignore me. Which is fine, but then don't turn around and call me a dick when you're the one refusing to listen. Forget it.

Speaking for myself, I still don't understand why you think it is logical to fear death. You haven't given him/us anything to refute.

Also, this is a thread of morbidity, so as long as we're talking about something socially disgusting it's on topic is it not? War, war is morbid.

I just got home from writing an exam on the Russian Revolutions of 1917, feeling a little rebellious from writing about it! XD

Because death is the end of life. The end of dreams. The end of consciousness. The end.

How is it not logical to fear everything you know coming to an end?

And as I've said before 'There's no point fearing non existence because once we enter a state of non existence we'll have nothing to fear' is a bad argument. We're here now. We're alive now. We're concsious now. I am entitled to fear losing everything I've lived with for twenty two years and will hopefully keep on having for the next sixty or so. It is rational for me to sometimes dread death, no matter how far away or inevitable it is.

The problem I have with Nespotic isn't that I find his opinion dumb. He's fully entitled to hold his own views about death and what lies beyond. He's fully entitled to play with ontology and let himself sleep soundly every night. The problem I do have is that he opened his argument by quite clearly stating that people who do not hold his opinion are being stupid. That opens him up to a thorough lambasting.

I didn't mean it like that. I meant more that they are not looking at the logical side of things. So many times I've said 'It's fine to fear losing everything you've lived for, but that fear won't last very long because you'll be dead. I'm saying, (like I have said multiple times), that fearing the fact that you have no consciousness after death is irrational because you won't be there to experience it. It's like saying, "I have a phobia of Dinosaurs, me." "What, you're scared of them on the telly?" "No, when they're wandering about". Doesn't happen. I'm just saying I can't understand why people fear it when it's completely irrational. And what's strange is, I have a completely irrational fear of spiders, I know they can't hurt me (where I'm from), But I don't like them. People will say stuff like "oh, stop being a wimp". That's how I feel about people who fear after death. What's there to be scared of?