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Pigs kept in cramped farms are.

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I'm fed up with this. I get the feeling I'm giving the impression of a tree-hugging hippy animal activist shit. I'm not. I'm just saying it's sick that the same species can let pigs (which are very intelligent, you know) bloat and die and even start rotting before they incinerate them, and keep them as pets and bathe them and hug them and play with them.

I don't mind people eating them, but most people treat animals as if they're there for us - our pleasure, to do what we want with. I don't actually like those happy pigs, because the people who keep them probably eat factory farmed meat and don't give a shit.

"I eat these pigs"
"I play with these pigs"
"tough luck"

We're actually animals too, y'know. We may wear clothes and have complicated languages and invent guns and nuclear missiles, but we're really pretty much the same.

honestly, this is debating, no one means anything personal and there is no flaming currently going on. not even trolling. i'm debating with you. i can actually debate, but most stuff doesn't interest me.

and i still don't understand the motive behind posting that cute picture and asking people to compare it with the linked one.

but yeah, you're totally right about dead farm animals being left around for days before being picked up for incineration, and i have many horrible personal experiences concerning that, but i've worked on 5 different farms in my lifetime. they are not all the same. before you were giving the impression you were putting them all into one category, but some are shit, some are cruel, some are healthy and some are pretty ingenious.

EDIT: EVERYONE POSTED

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Yeah. Like I said that picture looks out of context to me.
Those pigs aren't dead, they're just being pigs - fat, dirty, and sleepy.

exactly this. they may be sleeping, they may not. and what makes it less trustworthy is the incredible stereotypical and opinionated nature of the site. pigs enjoy being filthy, too. obviously ones domesticated may have bred out of it, but when you see a pig lying in a cesspit, asleep, you don't think "poor pig", you think "that's where my bacon sarnies come from?"

I didn't mean to give that impression. Sorry if I did so. I'ma shut up now.

don't shut up. you're good at making points. if you were making a daft point i wouldn't have even replied to you.

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I want a pet Kune Kune:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/14/15...0213702426.jpg

Luau! If you're hungry for a hunk of fat and juicy meat eat my buddy Pumbaa here because he is a treat. Come on down and dine on this tasty swine all you have to do is get in line. Aaaare you achin'? foooor some bacon? He's a big pig You could be a big pig too! Oy!

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I think you're quite wrong about overwhelming herds. I mean, if humans didn't exist, it's not like deer and kangaroos would take over the world, is it?

If humans didn't exist, deer and kangaroos would not have been pushed out of their native habitat and on to the limited remaining natural resources.

And wrt your previous posts about kangaroos going extinct because of killing for food; the quotas are calculated by the government and strictly enforced. They're not just arbitrarily massacred.

Deer to Pennsylvania are as rabbits to the outback.

Except that deer are native to the area, are they not?

Showing scary pics of dead animals to prove your point is so PETA.

I agree. Like a rooburger?

I don't get your objection, Ench. Why are you fine eating some meats and not others? Why do the worst habit of the pigmeat and kangaroo meat industries get revealed and shamed, but not the poultry or cattle industries?

Deer are native to the area yes. I was referring of course to the number, not so much the reason.

I don't eat any meat personally. And I'm sorry I omitted poultry and cattle.

I only have a problem with meat if it comes from a threatened species. Like in China there is a tiger farm where they breed tigers just to kill them and eat them (is there anything they don't eat over there?). At the same time there are about 1001 programs all around the world to save these animals from going extinct.

Sure, the breeding farm isn't taking away from the existing wild population (aside from the original two tigers, I bet), but doing that is almost like rubbing it people's faces or something, it's just wrong :S.

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At least they're more ethical than you in that they kill the tiger first.

Funny attempt at being funny is funny, but your logic fails. No rep for you.

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No rep for you.

You do realize by saying that, you have pretty much guaranteed me rep by somebody.

As for China, they are probably the biggest bunch of non-ethics in the world. They abandoned ethics in favor of another "e" word long ago; efficiency. It wont be long before China openly admits to grinding up spare babies to make hamburger helper to feed to it's increasing population.