That is a bloody lie. In slavery, many people gave up their hope to go on, because they were just treated so badly. Being beaten so badly before going to sleep is not something you would like, since the pain is so bad. Some people are even tramatized, like when I watched a show, a man was put in a jail cell after going through torture. He wakes up in the middle of the night with his hands bloody, not because of being beaten, but of his previous torture. He was scratching his skin off on the wall because he was scared the crap out of him. He would shake up and down, moaning, thinking that there was no chance of survival. So yeah, being beaten that badly is pretty much a bad punishment. Not going to stop them from acting out, but they sure will think twice.

Is it really worth anything when they are killed? Huh? Will the little girl forget everything about being abused? How about the family how have had some of their family killed? Will they see their relative again because the murderer died? No. Because it solves nothing but have 2 people gone from this world. There is no sasifaction afterwards. You would have to be sick if you were sasitified.

My grandmother tells me stories of people who have had their family members killed. They had their large family killed, and the people were looking for them. One of them took in her sisters' daughter, and another one. She did not go on thinking that she must raise the children to hate murderers. She left her country instead. Another women had her entire family killed, but yet she is one of the happiest people around. Why? Because she doesn't seek vengence. If one person is killed over an unforgiveble act, it just adds to the pile of people who were killed because of that. And like I said, no sasifaction. We would not feel any better.

Name me five murderers, who later repeated the same crime. Tell me, if your ratios are so true. And you lack to see the reason why the death penelty exists. It was created because the villages or counties had no space in their jails or did not have one at the time. So they got rid of them instead. But America does have a jail, and most of states think it is OK to kill the offenders off. So really, it doesn't make sense to have such a punishment.

To add something, not all people who are killed for those acts, haven't commited them. I remember someone who was executed, who admitted to someone that he was covering for his brother. His brother didn't want to receive the consquences, so he claimed that he did it, instead of his brother. Yeah, he was executed. So a man who did not deserve such a punishment, commited it. So is it really necessary to have a punishment?

What I am trying to say is that someone shouldn't also come with the dead person. It doesn't do anything really.

And about that thing with senseless killing, you probably shouldn't kill them, but you should at least escape. WIth a little violence, but no killing. Just wrong.

Being beaten can be brutal. But not in all cases. If a murderer or rapist is beaten on a daily basis while they stay in prison, and if their sentence is long enough, they'll just end up murdering the individual(s) who beat them. What have they got to lose? Most of them already have life terms, or terms close to it, and some of them are inprisoned in states that don't believe in the death penalty, so killing off another inmate won't even faze them. Beating them might just end in another murder. Not in all cases, but some.

Killing the inidividual that causes you some sort of trauma or pain, doesn't take away the pain. I'll give you that. Although, it does in some way relieve the individual(s) involved, knowing that the rapist or murderer is gone from this world, and has suffered a fate that they deserved. It's just another sick human being off the streets. One that might have caused someone else such harm in the future had he or she been left alive.

Once again, you are right. It doesn't take the pain away. But, if I had something horrible happen to my loved one, and I knew who the murderer was and where he was located, I would go after him, and make him suffer for his crimes. What's more, I'd find temporary satisfaction in knowing that he suffered just as much, if not more, than they did. And you can't say that other people wouldn't do this. You haven't the slightest clue what you would do in such a situation. You change drastically, and the world changes with you. You look at things from a different perspective, and you want nothing more but revenge. Whether or not you act on it matters not, as the pain will not go away, but nonetheless, you have the thought of vengeance in your mind. You may not commit the act, but you do ponder it regardless.

I'd love to name you five murderers who have been repeat offenders. I've seen plenty on Cold Case Files. However, I do not know their names. You have to understand that psychopathic and sociopathic individuals would not hesitate to commit the same crime twice, if they are freed. They are emotionaly immature. They do not understand the difference between right and wrong. They are hollow human beings who could care less about the consequences. Could you honestly tell me that if we were to put Jeffrey Dahmer in jail early in his life, and he parolled somehow, that he would change his ways? If you believe that, you honestly do not know how the mind of a serial killer works. Their urges are stronger than them. They can't control themselves. That's why I said it's better off to be rid of them than to have to deal with future horrors.

I know that our judicial system is flawed. And I also know that innocent people have been sent to prison and even have been killed there, senselessly. However, there's nothing we can do about that. Unless we develop some way to truly see into a person's mind, and figure out, without a shadow of a doubt, that they are responsible for a heinous crime, our judicial system always has a chance of sentencing an innocent man to death.

What if escape is impossible? What if you are cornered, and are facing someone who has a weapon, and is willing to take your life? Would you just wound him, and risk him murdering you nonetheless? Or would you ensure you survival, by killing him instead?

What kind of half-arsed bitchin' thread is this? Animal cruelty? Why not just have a good ol' gossipy moan about the Holocaust while you're at it.

I hate days that arn't like today. Today is BEAUTIFUL!
(Runs outside and does a quick lap around the world)

Today is horrid here. All that disgusting sunlight and heat and humidity. Bah, give me a winter day any day.

If it were possible, I'd gladly trade this cold, bleak weather for yours anyday. I'm so freaking sick of it.

Another thing that irritates me is leftist documentaries.
"OH NO MR BUSHITLERZ IS GUNNA TAK OVA TEH WORLD ALONG WITH TEH EVIL CAPPYTALIST NAZIS! LOLZ ISRAEL IS EVIL LOLZ!".
Sure, Bush, Israel, and capitalism aren't perfect, but they're saints compared to the alternative of global Islamic caliphate. It's like complaining about Britain's rationing during World War II, when there are a bunch of Nazis knocking on your door. In this case though, few people even in Bush's circle acknowledge the threat, preferring to call it a "War On Terror". As Dan Simmons put it, declaring a war on terror would be like Eisenhower declaring a war on avionics after Pearl Harbour. Calling it a war on terrorists doesn't cut it either, because it's a specific religion/ideology we're facing, not just terrorism in general.

I can't stand people who don't acknowledge when you've done them a favour. I was at a party last week, surrounded by old people and rather bored when I saw one of the organisers looking a little stressed so I offered to help out. She wasn't even grateful - she just ordered me to stir some melted fondue chocolate and instructed me like a three-year-old how to do it. My favour meant that I missed out on half of the (rather entertaining) speeches so that she could watch them. Afterwards she didn't even thank me - overall she just made me feel like I had done her a favour!

Or when people think you owe them a favor, and constantly act like it's their duty to get what you have to offer. Which is pretty much what you posted Nate, so....yeah. I'm ticked off about it too.


something else that ticks me off is pop-ups and re-directors on the computer. they get really annoying, especially when you are trying to find a certain site via yahoo or google and they stop you from finding it..... really annoying that is.

Heh. You just reminded me about my brother who is continually asking me for favours (particularly borrowing my car or me giving him a lift somewhere) and can't understand why I would get grumpy with him for being such an inconvenience. He actually bitched to my mother once that he was waiting for the day that I would ask him for a favour, just so that he could turn me down.

I think I'd rather gnaw my own leg off than ask him for anything.

Gnaw on leg...tastay.

As for the animal cruetly, my friend's 6 month old puppy has just gotten run over by a motorcycle. That's messed up. I swear that almost made me cry, people should watch where they're driving.

And that brings me to that very topic. People talk on cellphones while driving, and that's how accidents happen. I hate those ignorant fools.

Hey, I use a mobile while driving. Does that make ME ignorant?

Well if you can multi task like a god, hell no.

No, but it does make you an idiot. Also the legislators in wherever you live for not making it illegal yet.

I think that a majority of people are stupid and when they try to do two things at once like drive and talk they forget they are driving(Lol that sounds funny.)

So, you're saying that every person who multitasks is stupid?

No I said, to quote myself, "I think that a majority of people are stupid..."
I even copied and pasted that.

Ok, I accept that as something negative, but a comment:

What the fuck was a 6 month old puppy doing on the road?

The owner was probably too busy yammering on the blummin' phone while driving a car.

That's how WW2 started, anyhow.

It is illegal, plenty of people still do it, however. I don't because I don't drive.

I'm currently perturbed by a certain Christian individual on a Legend of Zelda forum I'm a part of. Pretty much every time I disagree with her views, and try to prove that she's a hypocrite for preaching to everyone, and then going against her own beliefs, she says that I'm insulting her and threatens to repost me to the Admin on that site. Goddamn coward. She just can't can't take the fact that I'm exposing her for what she is.

I hate the hella copter achivement on dead rising no matter how many bullets i put into the F*****G thing it just wont die!

Pretty much sounds as annoying as my cousins. No matter how many smacks you give 'em, they just won't shut the hell up!

I hate people who hit you, then get angry when you hit them back.

I hate people who think I should give a shit about 'the game'. It's not half a patch on the original game; the one that went "If you know the game, or you think you know the game, please leave the room now."

Time to make my little comeback....

For a second, I thought I was going to laugh. I find it funny how you confused 'killing someone under defense' and 'killing someone under anger'. The first one is that I would try to kill that person no matter what. I don't care if he dies, I need to take care of myself. The person would go after me when he is released from jail if I do kill him. And if this person knocks out, what a perfect opprunity to just smash his head. Violent and gory yes, but guess what, my life isn't gonna be taken away at all.

Now back to vengence. My feelings on the matter has already been done before. Only a few monthes ago, I learned that my cousin died in a riot. Striking me like that, it was hard to think about that. I'm too frustrated to kill these people. Why? Because, it is useless. I don't have the money to fly to Brazil in the first place, and do you think at all that the police won't try to have me arrested.

And if you knew the person's location, don't you think you just call the police? Seems like the matter seems more suiting to do. But I guess anger takes over people's minds and possesses them to do horrible things.

You are right, some murderers don't learn. They're serial killers. Yet not every murderer is a serial killer. So why execute someone for something they could learn in hard time jail? Don't paint the sky with one color, espically when you are dealing with murderers and serial killers. But life sentence is the decision I would make with a serial killer.

Sorry for the gap and the return of ethics in killing.

Wait a moment, how did I confuse killing in self-defense and killing out of anger? Please enlighten me.

I admire your approach to the hypothetical situation. In a way, you reacted in the same manner I would, if my life was threatened. I would not hesitate to kill the individual if they were ready to kill me in the first place. I won't give anyone the pleasure of taking my life away from me. They'd have to fight me to the death for it. My life may not be all that important, but the people in my life are more important to me than anything, and I'll be damned if someone's going to take away the joy I get from seeing or speaking to them everyday.

True, it may be useless, but nonetheless, out of anger, you've considered killing these people in your mind. You've thought about the temporary relief that these individual's death would bring about; knowing that they would suffer for what they've done. The thoughts wouldn't change a thing, although if you did find out that they had recently died, would you, or would you not, feel better temporarily knowing that they've been punished in some way? Even if their lives weren't taken away for that very purpose?

The police can only do so much. Even if you knew the location of a person who had murdered someone near and dear to you, it wouldn't mean that they'd have enough evidence to arrest that individual. For all you know, the person could know how to cover their tracks and escape detection, leaving any hope of the police bringing him in, gone.

When it comes to executing serial killers and murderers, all I can say is this: serial killers certainly deserve the death penalty, while murderers may or may not, depending on the situation. You see, in my opinion, if serial killers had any remorse for what they've done, they certainly would not do it again, but seeing as how a person needs to kill three or more people to become a serial killer, I'd say that shows they are unaffected by what they've done, and will continue to be unaffected, if allowed to live. That's why most serial killers are psychopaths or sociopaths; they can kill repeatedly without caring at all. It's just the way they are. So, I believe that they should all be sentenced to death.

Murderers, on the other hand, are a different story. They kill once or twice, and may or may not feel any remorse afterwards, depending on who we're dealing with. In their case, I feel that they should be evaluated psychologically, in order to determine whether or not they fall into the two categories previously mentioned. If they do, they should just be put to death, in my opinion, since the chances of them changing in prison are close to nil. And if they don't, then they should live out their prison sentence, and eventually be released. If feel that the people who commit murder but are not psychopaths or sociopaths, either did it because they had a reason to, or because they wanted to see what it was like. So, prison would certainly make these individuals think about what they've done, and as a result, make them regret it for the rest of their lives. That way, justice, in a way, would be served.

And it isn't a problem. I actually thought it was a shame when you didn't respond to my post awhile back, since I always enjoy discussing and debating this topic with people, sick as it may be. I'm just glad that the debate and exchange of opinions may now continue :).

Another thing that bugs me is people who say Catholics aren't Christians. What the Hail Mary have you been smoking? Catholics were the earliest incarnation of modern Christianity. No, we don't bloody worship Mary or the Saints, we use them like call centres to YHVH. No, we don't repeat the Lord's sacrifice every sunday, we remember it, much like Anzac Day or Veteran's Day remembers war veterans. And we didn't start Islam. Islam and Catholicism are so vastly different it's like accusing Buddhist's of starting Scientology.

Hm... Well, what I am really peeved about is... you guessed it, weather.

It's windy, cold, sometimes snowing, and downright depressing where I am right now.

And being sick is something I'm sure we can all agree sucks... I've had this throat crap for weeks now, but I'm not exactly sick enough to stay home.... and it's not getting better.

I hate how everyone is making this whole Imus issue into a racial thing, rather than a freedom of speech issue.

Replace "Imus" with "Muhammad cartoons" and add "religious" along with freedom of speech and you've got my opinion on something.

I hate people who have stupid ideas and dont realise whats wrong with them.

I hate my track coaches....
They play favorites and it doesn't really help that their children are both in track as well...

and they think track should be our number one priority... you know, above family, and everything else... I'd give you a very specific example of why they gained my hate but... It'd take too long.

I hate people who say "Samurai sword", and no matter how many times I tell them it's called a Katana, they seem unable to comprehend this and continue to call it a "Samurai sword". How hard is it to learn one word?

Also, I hate people who are incapable of understanding that New Zealand and Austrailia are different countries.
I really hate people who think that Americans speak "American", and Canadians speak "Canadian"

^No, from my public school teaching Australia is a country and continent. Because, public schools have high standards, I know I'm right.


I hate it when people just say, " Can I ask you a question?", kind of diminishes the point of asking if you can ask. Bastards.

You're right, Australia is a country and continent, but New Zealand isn't part of Australia

I hate it when people ask if they can borrow something they aren't going to give back anyway; Paper, tissues, etc.

Salamander have you meant snuzi? Because I bet you guys could have a long convo about whats wrong with the world. :)

I hate the fact that im an idiot and everyone on this forum agrees!

I never agreed to that. But if it makes you feel better, I will.

Thanks... by the way sorry about wasting your time with that pointless mfz thread.

Great w'ell trade. 1 hot Queensland summer day [25-35 degreese] for your cold day. done.