If it worked as a deterrent it would be satisfying.

Anyway, I think we may be straying from the point here, Jacob's punishments aren't intended to stop homicidal maniacs, they'll kill/rape people anyway.
Jacobs punishments are to stop the immoral, lawless scum that plague Britain from breeding and producing further cunts that will surely bring about our ultimate demise.

Hell, they probably wouldn't stop people from commiting crimes, but it would stop them from breeding, reducing the number of similar cunts, thus, these offenders are slowly wiped out, producing a utopian society.

PS: The castration doesn't mean they can't have children, if I remember correctly. Jacob was willing to take samples of the offenders sex cells, so if they ever became moral members of society, they could raise their own biological children.

Oh, how very caring of Jacob. He's willing to allow people children as long as they learn to behave within the parameters that he lays down. Too bad they still have to live the rest of their lives as eunuchs, eh? What is the point of stopping these "immoral cunts" ability to reproduce if you become an "immoral cunt" yourself in the process. Who the fuck are you and Jacob to decide what is moral and what isn't in the first place? Isn't Jacob a homosexual? Doesn't the vast majority of the world believe that homosexuality is immoral? These things are all relative, people. Just because you feel a thing is wrong doesn't mean that someone else feels the same. I could have very easily fallen under your umbrella of immoral and lawless a few years ago. I used to be a heroin addict. I was young and I was stupid. And I grew out of it. Should I have been castrated? Should my child be taken from me now that I have admitted my crimes against society? Look at my daughter and tell me that she shouldn't be alive. And then prepare for me to hunt you down and destroy you. I thought you had more sense than this.

Tru dat. And don't bring up all that bullshit about the 'bigger picture,' because there is no bigger picture when you yourslef are targetted for these things.

I've only read the first and last pages, so I think I've missed quite a lot.

All I have to say is that the pedo political party was crazy, and that for some reason, I don't have a huge problem with convicted rapists being castrated. I think the majority of the world considers that "immoral," and I view it as disarming them more than anything.

we haven't been talking about pedophiles for a long time.

Its not much to ask someone to live by the rules of society, if you really can't work for a living (there's plenty of jobs available, its just that these people are too lazy to work; why work when you can steal and claim benefits?) due to injury or disability, or if you need some extra cash for some you can get state benefits. If you do commit crimes and abuse the society you have the priveledge of living in, you deserve to have your human rights stripped from you.

Well, England is a fair democracy. We'd just put our ideas forward, the public are the real people who'd decide, if they shared our/my/his opinions, they'd vote for us.

Yes. This isn't a problem, homosexuality is hated largely because of religious reasons, most atheists don't care about peoples sexuality. If we ignore religion and look at the real world, we can see that same sex couples are not harming anyone, whereas we can all agree that murderers and rapists certainly are harming people. If I was in power I'd separate the church from the state instantly, then they couldn't spoil it for the atheists/agnostics.

Ultimately, I'd want a left wing society, where people have equal rights and oportunities, unemployment is low, religion has no power in the government, ect.

However, if someone abuses this society, they lose all the privelidges. Unlike how it is now, where we live in a free society and stay free after commiting crimes.

And who is to judge wether you're a "moral citizen" or not? I think everyone should get a chance until proven not to. Kids can do wonders to people. One of the human rights nwhich i think should not be stripped is having kids.
What is a person is wrongly charged? I think castrating is too vile and eaggerated. So you think OANST should have been castrated if he at his time had been charged? You know how much castration screws a man up?

Someone who doesn't commit crimes? I know theres other things that deem someone immoral, such as if they are racist or whatever, but we're talking about punishing people for crimes.

Drug taking is different too, its different to stealing for a living just because its easier than getting a job and you know there'll be no consequences if you mess it up. Or just because thats the way your parents raised you: 'why pay for that son? Just steal it, it saves daddy forking out of his dole money!'

But Judging is subjective... Even today people get charged with crime even though they didn't do it. Being forced to get a castration is simply too vile. I think that instead of focusing wether criminals should have children or not, we need to focus on how to stop them, and make them lose their bad habits.

Talking about Pedophiles on a forum like this :|

Ohhhhh. Well, now it makes complete sense. Only some immoral acts are worthy of castration. It's all become so very clear to me. You guys hit the nail right on the head. I'm so impressed by your moronic beliefs now. Wait. Did I say impressed? I meant dumbfounded. As in, dear lord that's dumb. And anyone who founded it must be super dumb. Okay. No more name calling for a bit (it's just so fun). In a free society people are free to make mistakes. Should these mistakes be punished? Of course. Do many of these mistakes deserve harsher sentences than are already in place? Of course. But any person with half a mind doesn't see castration as a harsher sentence. They see it as torture. And this nonsense that Jacob was spouting about bad breeds bad is just that. Nonsense. There are many great people in this world who were born of criminal parents. Of course there are many who follow in their parents footsteps but you don't know which will be which. And you don't have the right to decide that. If you want stronger prison sentences then we can talk. But you just want to release these people back to society without their genitalia. That's just plain stupid. You know what I would do if that was done to me? I would hunt down every person that caused this to be inflicted on me and I would kill them. And I guarantee that 99 percent of the victims of your sick Nazi belief would do the same. Simple minded solutions from simple minded people are not going to create the effect that you desire.


How much you guys wanna bet that I'm on the modsquads shitlist now? I'm guessing that a lot of people that thought I was funny before are now going to be secretly (or not so secretly) hating me since I've directed my ray of fun directly at someone they like.

I didn't refer directly to castration in my last two posts. In those I was refering to punishment in general, instead of castration, would you be in favour of long prison sentences, the death penalty? I'd probably go far a less barbaric approach to prevention than castration, like a child liscence, that was mentioned on OWF sometime.

To use Jacobs idea, if the police told you that if you were caught again you'd be castrated, would you still go out and do some more crime?

I actually think castration wouldn't help at all. It's a form of torture. it doesn't motivate people to act all nice again. if I was a criminal, and got castrated because of it. There would be no way I'd say: "Oh well... I got castrated. seems like i should behave because castration is such a good punishment."
I think it would feed the criminals hatred, and make them act even more bad :-/

Right, I'm going to get slated for this too, but allow me to give my opinion on Jacobs idea again. :p

Castration isn't supposed to stop them from being bad. The fear of it is supposed to scare them into not commiting crimes. If they still commit crimes they're castrated to stop them from breeding. Once again, I don't agree with this method any more, I agree that these people shouldn't have children, but castration is not the way.

I'll just add that its more likely that everyone'll be hating me. :p

I think a Child license would be EXCELLENT and if that would, realistically, work, then jolly-jollyness all around!

Longer prison sentences wouldn't work, we're already having that problem in the UK at the moment. Because of prison overcrowding, vile people are being released earlier, meaning they continue to commit crimes. There was even one who pretended to be rehabilitated and then went out, kidnapped a 3 year old girl, and subjected her to abhorrent levels of abuse.

Now, in some cases, the threat of castration wouldn't work - no. I believe that in some instances it's some kind of chemical imbalance in the Brain that causes a person to be how they are. However, the one's that aren't like that are at least more likely to think TWICE before committing a crime. And okay, if they commit it, they get castrated. Punishment? Yes. Stops them from breeding? Yes. Of course, they wouldn't just be let out of prison, they'd be kept in prison and serve their sentence.

This is a solution that would have to be imposed for a few decades, however, for a substantial effect to be seen. For the undesirables to slowly die out.

£Even today people get charged with crime even though they didn't do it."

Of course, however, what are the chances of that happening 3 times in 5 years? Low.

And OANST, concerning your Heroine Addiction, no, you wouldn't be castrated. You'd be given help.

Ideally, the first two times you'd go into a voluntary Rehab, where you could say "Yeh, i'm getting off it" and we'd trust you and be all "Oh, okay", whilst monitoring your progress. F*ck that up, however, and i'd ideally like a system in place that makes Addicts go Cold Turkey.

I still haven't heard any decent alternatives that would work just as well.

Oh, Rich, feel free to impreganate me sometime in the future.

This entire conversation is assinine. I'm not going to convince you of anything and you damn sure aren't going to convince me of anything. You win. Sig Heil.

"Sig Heil"

It's 'Seig Heil', Poodle.

See you in the future.

I feel loved. By some crazed, nazi-esque castrator it seems, but loved none-the-less. :)

I apologize for not knowing the correct spelling of how to salute you, Hitler. I awate my castration with moist lips and open legs.

"I apologize for not knowing the correct spelling of how to salute you, Hitler. I awate my castration with moist lips and open legs."

Whe-Hey! I'll get the shears ready for you, Chuckles!!

But what should i do with your little Poppet? *Gets his ponder on*

...i wonder if Ian Huntley is taking calls at all.

I'm not british. I didn't get that joke.


For everyones information= The best way to tell if a joke originates in england is for it to have someone named Ian in it.

Ian Huntley is a pedophile who famously molested and killed two two girls he met on the internet, he also was employed at a school, despite having previous convictions of sexual assault against children.

If I remember correctly, his accomplice got an early release and now has a new identity and is free to do whatever, Ian is also probably released or will be soon in the same manner.

Now, I think Jacob went too far with the joke and now you're going to 'hunt him down and kill him', but look at that information and tell us that no drastic measures are needed in England.

I once asked one of my friends if he was "wet" (excited) about going to see 'X-men 3', to which he replied "Wetter than Ian Huntley forcing two little girls into a bath"

I thought Ian Huntley just tried to give them a bath, and when they fought, killed them by drowning them. He didn't meet them on the 'net, either, he worked at the school they went to, and kind of knew them.

Maxine Carr, is indeed, dancing around somewhere, 'avin' a laugh.

It's worth noting that though Mr. Huntley is in Belmarsh (i think) or Strangeways (i know it's a notorious prison) which is s'posed to be a really harsh prison...it's not. Abu Hamza has his own Laptop. The Prisoners can play pool and the like. They have TV's in their rooms and cosey living spaces. They also practically run the Prison.

Imagine it being like a Zoo...with lots of Primates. ...and the Primates have taken over, yet the Zoo keepers still have to make sure the Primates are okay and safe, no matter how wanky they become.

...if only God would send another Flood down to Earth.

Eh, I can take a joke. And of course I agree that anyone who commits such a foul act should be severely punished. But this constant bitching about the state of prisons isn't going to do anything unless you actually set out to institute prison reform. I've got no problem with that. Make prisons less like club med and impose harsher and longer sentences. Great.

So we are clear on this=What I would like to do to people that commit these crimes is castrate them. I would also like to have them drawn and quartered. I would then have them disemboweled and then beheaded. Unfortunately, what I would like to do and what we should do are two seperate things. These people need to be punished but we cannot destroy ourselves in the process. If you want the crime rate to go up then you should definitely institute punishments like these. It will desensitize society to the horrors that man can inflict on one another. And we will be dropped into a new dark age.

Damnit. I should have never even looked at this thread again. This conversation is never going to end.