I think that is possibly the wisest thing I've heard on these forums.

Why thank you :).

Tiger

Oh what the hell!? Why is this thread back? WHY!?

I was a little shocked as well. a thread just "opens up" and suddenly there are 6 pages?

But my opinion on the matter is that homosexuals should be able to adopt. I'm a Christian so I'm not gay, but I don't think that just because someone else is they shouldn't be able to raise a child. That is just dumb.
One of my friends has homosexual parents and they are a very nice individual, so what I conclude is that anyone who wishes to raise a child correctly and care for them all the same should be able to regardless of hetero- or homosexuality.

And I seriously doubt that God is just going to pop up and zap a homosexual couple for having a child.
He just doesn't work that way. ;)

EDIT: when I say that because I'm a Christian I'm not gay, I mean that it goes against what I believe and that is the reason. because I'm sure that there are homosexual Christians out there somewhere.
just to clear it up. ;)

*Buys Arxryl a beer like he promised*

*Drinks behind a lamp post as he is not yet legal drinking age.* ;)

I believe that homosexuals should definitely be able to adopt children. They're just as capable of loving a child and taking care of one as anyone else. I don't believe there is any reason why they shouldn't be allowed to do so. It's a right everyone should have.

Wow wow! Everyone?! No no no... BAD! Not good! BAD!

I would provide snuzi a link to Jacob's 'Should fat people be allowed to breed' (or whatever it was called) thread but that's probably one that really shouldn't be reopened.

Why is that bad? I mean, I agree that some people wouldn't make the greatest parents for whatever reasons, but nonetheless, they possess the right to have children. You can't give that privelege the some people and not others. That's discrimination.

I don't think they should adopt, that would affect the kid in the future roughly.

Why do you think it woul affect the children's future?

- Rexy

Yeah, how can it?

If you mean that the child would turn out gay as well, that's rubbish. A gay couple can have an adopted child that is straight and will continue being straight despite their parents' sexual orientation.

Homeless people do not have the right to adopt.
People in a 2 by 2 apartment do not have the right to adopt.
People with a metal disability do NOT have the right to adopt.
Downright idiots SHOULD not have the right to adopt but are often first in line.
And last but not least, George Bush does not have the right to adopt OR reproduce (I just but that one in for drama XD)

I don't care if that discrimination, placing children with these people is child abuse. You tell me what you rather have.

Havoc

Again, everyone has the right to adopt or bare a child. It doesn't matter what financial situation they're in, or what mental disibilities they have, they can still make fantastic parents. It all depends on the person.

Also, if you're going to discriminate against only a few types of people, why then, do all the others who do not fall into those categories, who are bad parents, allowed to raise children? Isn't that child abuse too? The point is you can't tell someone "You can't raise a child". It's a liberty everyone possesses, and one that should never be taken away.

I disagree. I think Havoc's right.

Homeless people don't have the right to adopt a child whilst they are homeless. That's cruel, imagine how much harder it will make their lives and the child would almost automatically be taken into care.

I think people with severe mental disabilities should not be allowed to adopt. But that's my personal opinion as they would not be able to care for the child.

Everyone should have the right to love and have a child, but would you feel the same if a convicted peadophile wanted to adopt a little 5 year old girl?

- Rexy

Well, if they have a history, then I agree, they shouldn't be able to adopt a child. However, there's always a risk that a child will wind up with abusive parents or foster parents. It's not as if it can be prevented. There's just some sick people out there.

You're right. It's impossible to prevent 100% of all bad adoptions. But you can stop the 99.95% where it would be bleedingly obvious to any adoption councellor that the prospective parents are not capable of taking care of a child properly.

Well, I think it depends on certain things like whether the he went through some form of castration or was decided by a group of people if he was fit to raise a child.

I'll kill you. Just keep that in mind.

That's the stupidest thing I ever heard you say... :fuzconf:

Whatever, I feel silly now for saying it.

I was about to say Gabe, I'm all for leftism but that doesn't stop the prickless old man fondling your tits.

Kudos anyway. :D

No I wasn't suggesting that. I meant just as like ages 5-12. You know. Having two dads or two moms would kind of make the kid feel left out.

I have nothing against homosexuals and what they do. I support it. But adopting is kind of a different matter.

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How about if one man without a wife wanted to adopt?

Well, alot of kids feel left out when it comes to parents. Just look at kids with divorced parents.

And single people aren't allowed to adopt, apparently, unless they are very well off. I think they should be able to adopt, however, if they feel that they're up to the responsibility.

If people want to adopt, why don't they do a oral and written test, it would kinda show if the person is good enough to be a parent or not, unless they cheat!

Not particularly. I mean, you can ask a question like:

Q) Beating your child is a good form of punishment.
a) No, never!
b) Not if there's an alternative.
c) It's good in moderation.
d) I WANT TO SEE BLOOD!!!!

And most people are going to get the right answer. I'd say to stick with the current situation where trained social workers check out the couple and see if they're trustworthy.

The current system in most countries works well enough as it is, yea. People can fake their answers on a sheet of paper, although the question Nate happened to post is a tricky one because IMO, with good parenting comes the occasional slap on the butt, but social workers seem to think thats child abuse for some reason so yea.

Tiger

That wouldn't necessarily work, since people can just fake their answers and choose the one they think the official wants to hear. And as Havoc said, certain parents may think that spanking their children is perfectly fine in moderation, while social workers may see it as a mild form of child abuse. What it all comes down to is that you can't really give a potential parent a test, since every parent has their own method of bringing up a child. Some of which a social worker, or the creator of such an exam, would not agree with or fully understand.

Second stupid thing is that some social workers are single and have no children and are then deciding for others whether they are fit. Also BS... but we're drifting from the subject at hand :).

Tiger