okay, im afraid i started this by saying that someone doesnt have to believe in what they learn. so, lets all settle down, have a cup a tea, eat a scrab cake or two, and talk about our feelings. Hi! Im Joe the Intern and im an alcoholic.lol j/k
but seriously folks, lets act with some diplomacy and try to keep this topic from closing. im sorry that i started this huge argument (by accident). so everybody cut back on the caffiene and settle down!

thank god [metaphorically speaking, of course] that people are now being reasonable. i could respond to pinky's earlier tirade, but i'm not going to, as that would only spark her off again. instead i shall think of flowers. happy flowers. with happy bumblebees buzzing around them. birds are singing sweetly, the sun is shining, and we have not a care in the world...

Wood...

Okay. I don't think this topic has caused problems. Considering the nature of the subject, people have been quite mature. Closing this topic would be making a mountain out of a molehill; for the situation is quite calm. If people can discuss things rationally and peacefully, there are no problems in my book. Just make sure you don't insult anyone.

As for the topic, we all seem to be beating a dead horse now, so to speak. Everything to say has been said and things are getting repetitive. I just want to finish up with a clarification to Pinkhaired.

You said the following directed at me: "you never listen to anyone but your own opinions ... You seriously don't back up anything with facts neither. It's not fair for me to believe what I want to believe, and you call me closed-minded?"

I listen to everyone, and I change my opinions if the individual presents a valid argument substantiated with facts. You have yet to do this. You simply spout your beliefs, declaring them as the ultimate truth, which are based on faith, not facts. On the other hand, I have produced fact after fact after fact to supplement my arguments.

It was you who called me closed minded. In response, I pointed out that it was quite the opposite, and explained why.

Nobody is saying you aren't entitled to your beliefs, but when they are based on faith, they have no place in an argument concerning facts. You can believe ANYTHING you want to, as absurd they may be. I respect that you believe in whatever it is you believe, but if it goes against established scientific facts then expect to be asked to back up your claims with facts, otherwise don't state them at all.

*sigh*

What he said.

ok like you said sydman, were beating a dead horse here. theres no need to carry this on any further. lets all find something else to talk about. im afraid the whole thing started with me telling people not to attack pinkhaired. now pinkhaired is attacking. as is everyone else. lets all settle down.weve all made some good arguments, some better than others but im not going to name names for fear of starting it all again. lets all get back on track and on subject. theres no sense in beating the horse until its decomposed. weve all proved our points (sort of) and its time to move on. lets keep the topic going since its got the most posts ever (i think thats an accomplishment dont you?). as long as we still all act maturely. we have so far and i believe we can keep it up. we have our opinions and we can keep our opinions. they dont have to be changed. ive tried to keep some diplomacy and i hope its payin off. (how 'bout that!! thats my longest post ever!! yay!!)

[ July 25, 2001: Message edited by: Joe the Intern ]

Actually, Pink, early versions of the Bible did include reincarnation. It was taken out later on for some reason.

Dakkan, you need to just sit down somewhere because you sound as goofy as Daniel because daniel buttkisses people anyway.
And Sydney, I did not state my opinions the ultimate truth, I told you what I believe. You have some pride. I told you, that was what I believe, did you read my last reply or assume I did'nt say that?

Reincarnation was not in the early versions of the bible. The bible has not changed. Where did you read that from? DO you have a article or anything that I could see please?

[ July 25, 2001: Message edited by: SpikeyMudokonPunk ]

What were we talking about the kitten thing again?

oh pinky, just accept that just because people believe something different to you, that doesn't make them necessarily wrong. put aside your beliefs for just a second, and listen to what people have to say with an open mind. THEN you can decide whether you still consider us fools.

by the way, just because you can accuse others of being closedminded, it doesn't mean that you are being openminded. it just shows how you are not prepared to accept their beliefs as being as valid as your own. calling people's beliefs closedminded does not make them go away. and before you say anything, i have never called your beliefs closedminded, i called your refusal to consider any other possibilities closedminded.

This is a pretty stupid argument. Pinkhaired is the only one in these forums that thinks humans aren't animals, and she's also the only one who takes the bible literally. TOO literally. So if we continue to argue, she'll continue to say her point, which is that what the bible says is true, end of story. However, everyone else's point is that it is not a bible thing, it is a scientific thing.

So, if we continue arguing, the same thing will be said over and over and over until everyone in the whole damn world is trying to get Pinky to give in. But she never ever will.

ALRIGHT!!! THATS IT!!!! EVERYBODY STOP ARGUING!!!!!! you guys are being absurd. neither of you guys will accept the others beliefs. rettick you yourself said in an earlier post that you would not stop until you had changed her mind. she is not going to change her mind. and pinky, he is not going to change his mind. its stupid to carry this on when no one is going to budge from their beliefs. give it up already!!

god! this is like a bad episode of the jerry springer show!

[ July 25, 2001: Message edited by: Joe the Intern ]

Well, biggest topic on the board, and I started it! :) Yay for me! :D However, I am sorry that there is a big argument going on inside it. I can't be bothered to voice my views on it right now because I am really hungry and haven't had anything to eat all day.
The reason is because I stayed up all night and slept all day, and then I went to my friends as soon as I woke and was too busy to eat anything, but now I've just got back, so I'm now gonna get something to eat.
- DH

s ruled over the land, their size power and cunning allowed them to reign like tyrants. Slowly but surely the species that survived grew small and smaller still until they became mere shells of their former selves. Humanoids, once hulking, are now small. They are intelligent though, intelligent by yesteryears standards but advancements always happen. Macrobiology with words is impossible , how much more so with cells. Do this exercise. WHile changing only one letter at a time Do this go from He sat on that mat to He stood on this mat. Go ahead, do it, prove evolution

heh, this topic could have gone like this:

DH: The shove kittens into bottles!
Someone Else: No they don't.
DH: Oh ok.

but Oh No, fate doesn't work like this. a topic that should have lasted 3 posts has gone on to become the longest topic ever on this board, at 175 posts! typical...

oh and statikk, that sounds good, but it's really a load of bollocks, isn't it? go on, admit it...

omg!! here we go beating the horse senseless again!!

*puts on a cowpoke voice* buddy, there ain't no horse left here, y'understand? y'see that stain there? that's owl that's left of mah hoss! these flamin' varmints have owl been kickin' im! mah poower hoss! well, ah ain't lettin' em get away wid it! *draws gun...*

Pinkhaired, by jumping into a conversation and falsely "correcting" someone, you are declaring something as a truth. See my previous post on why you shouldn't do that.

And the bible has changed a lot throughout its various translations. I don't know about reincarnation, but I'll refer you to a web site that shows how "hell" has been misinterpretted and that the bible does not teach eternal damnation. Mistranslations from the original languages are nasty. http://www.tentmaker.org/books/GatesOfHell.html

This is getting ridiculous now. I think we can drop it.

HATS EXACTLY WHAT IVE BEEN TRYIN TO TELL YOU SYDNEY!! AHHHHHH!!!!!

exactly. as i said a long way back, this conversation has run its course. now let's get back to less contentious issues...

Joe, it's not my fault someone keeps opening more cans of worms. And if someone directs something at me, I do my best to respond to them.

what ive been tryin to tell you is what you said. its becoming ridiculous and we need to stop arguing! im not sayin its your fault. cant we all just get along?

[ July 25, 2001: Message edited by: Joe the Intern ]

Daniel, are you blind or what? I told you that I don't take the bible literally. Some of the scriptures have symbolism and stuff, to represent something. Sydney, we are talking about the bible changing in plots and settings, not languages. All the stories are the same. Yeah the bible is written in different languages, It elizabethan, and latin. but, they still have the same stories, but in a different language. God said that you can't change the bible. Like, you can't write Genesis, and it talks about satan in hell or something. You know what I'm saying yo?

[ July 26, 2001: Message edited by: SpikeyMudokonPunk ]

actually, pinky, sydman wasn't just talking about it changing languages, he was talking about the changes in meaning that occured as it changed language. after all, nothing translates exactly, and so a lot of changes in meaning have occurred to the bible. also there is a hell of a lot of ambiguity in the bible, which is why christians as varied as Mother Teresa and Adolf Hitler can use it as reasons for what they do.

I think I understand what you are saying there Rettick. :)

Adolf Hitler a christian? What he did, I mean, he was the devil himself. faith comes by hearing, and hearing the word of God. You won't understand the bible and you will have doubts if you are not into the bible. But if you keep reading, and growing, you will learn that the bible does not sound so contradicting or abiguity. Because I use to be atheist, and thought the bible was contradicting and doubtful, and I got into an accident and I thank God today because I could been dead. So I gave him my life. You follow me?

I'm just saying, Matthew, Mark and Luke are still "Synpotic Gospels". God told people like Moses, Matthew and others, to write it exactly. If they made a mistake, they would have to destroy it and start all over.

I think I understand you now, Pinky. [Now THERE's a sentence I didn't think I'd be saying in this topic! :D] You feel that, if God hadn't been watching out for you, you'd be dead, so you feel beholden to him for that. I feel that I understand you a bit better now.

But you have to admit that there have a been a long list of people who have twisted the words of the Bible and used it as an excuse to do bad things.

That is when, I think, Religion goes wrong. To me the best Religion isn't the one that is right, but it's the one that makes people treat each other better, which is why [no offense] I am a little dubious about Christianity, since a lot of Evil has been done in its name. And I think the First Commandment is responsible for quite a lot of it. Most of the rest of the commandments were good, and led to people being nicer to each other, but I can't see any possible way in which the First could have caused people to be nicer.

There, voices are lower, and it's a lot more relaxed here now. Well done, Sydney!

Ah, hell with it, let's go for 200!

Well, I don't think the first commandment is considered bad, it just makes people confused. But I'm Christian and It's against my religion to believe in other Gods besides God himself and his son. Because God will punish me, If i believe in Hindu gods and worship them. That won't make any sense.

And Daniel, if your parents are so active in the bible, would they know that you can't think that the whole bible is not take n literally or not all christians are not in the same level? So some people would not know that, so you would have to teach them, not beat it in people like you did. Okay, one scripture it saids that fornication is a sin. Are you not going to take that literally? Yeaaeh. But in Proverbs, one verse states, "Wisdom cries out in the streets." Wisdom is not actually crying out of the street. It's just symbolizes, Wisdom being out there, and you either except it or not. It's not a sin to take the bible literally. And if people do, then you have no right to beat it down on them. Christ did not beat things down on people. Once you get baptized, you won't automatically stop smoking or use drugs, It takes time. You are a baby in Christ. it's like being a baby. When babys are born, can they feed themselves? I'm not there yet either. And Daniel, since your so worried about your parents, what have you been doing your self? When you face God, are you going to say my parents this and this, and God is going to tell you, what did you do? So you need to help your self be obidient also, instead of looking at other people.

And Sydney, if you read 2Timothy 3:1-9, and 1 John and 2 John, you will know what I mean. :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

I guess I should have been more clear. I meant that you take the bible too literally. Do you believe the Noah's Ark or Adam and Eve story?

You are a fundamentalist. My family is not. So we have different beliefs. All your beliefs are based on the bible, but all my beliefs are based on scientific proof and a little bit of the bible. However, all my morals and stuff like that IS based on the bible. I see the stories in the bible as stories setting examples and stories to inspire us and tell about the glory of God. But you see them as things that actually happened.

That's why we have parables...
yeah, I do believe in the ark, because they found the ark in Russia. It's not bad to take the bible literally.

They found the ark in Russia? Do tell...

Yup, and the archor stones too :) :)

My bad :D :D :D

[ July 30, 2001: Message edited by: PinkHaired Mudokon CWR ]

Can you give me a url or something?

Absolutely

WILL PEOPLE SHUT UP ABOUT THIS SICK JOKE ALREADY!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

What are you talkin about, peoples????? Does we talk now about Noah's ark, or whaaaat???
help....my poor head...i'm too confused now :confused:

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Munchy, shut up. We'll argue if we want.

Pinky, i couldn't be bothered to read the whole thing, but what I did read was very convincing. I do not know what to think.

Ron Wyatt's "discoveries" have long been considered to be frauds. Most of the Christian community agree, and are furious with the bad name he is giving Christianity.

Both of these links were authored by Christians, who expose Wyatt as the hoaxer he is. http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/ http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/wyatt.html

HEY DUDES JUST ONE MORE POST AND THIS TOPIC WILL BE THE HIGHEST POSTS IN A TOPIC :)

See, there you Go sydney, so full of pride and denial. There are other people who had proof too, like they found Kyafis tomb, Jesus Tomb, Joseph's letter. not all Christians think that he is a fraud. Have you actually went to russia? You need to stop worrying about other people's opinions, and see it for yourself.