I suppose it's a bit late to change it really, this late into the development cycle. Whatever you want to say about it, good or bad that's part of the brand recognition now. Whether that's a bad thing is a different matter.

But, I like the logo, what's wrong with it?

I'm sure new players won't care so much...

Most new players with experience will get a bad first impression, and in the words of Masahiro Ito: "first impression is most lasting D:".

Do we really need to get into this now? Especially when there was a whole frigging thread about it?

Again, I feel like people are being too picky, but soon I feel like everybody is goona get pissed off at me saying that.

That's assuming that your judgment is THE judgment.

Like, I'm not so hot about Steam Zones outside Rupture Farms but it would be silly to think that the majority of new players will share my nitpik.

Judging from the latest screenshots, that isn't the case, looking at the free fire zone screenshot, it looks like there's a patch of smoke riding from the ground, obviously to be used for Abe to hide from the slig, but I assume the smoke is made from a fire and is therefore not steam.

Maybe, I thought that initially but I couldn't really see a difference with Steam Zones in RuptureFarms. But, tbh, I'm only basing that off one screenshot. It could be a bit more clear in the actual game.

what does that even mean

I meant experience in graphics and that.

What you're saying is that people with no familiarity with Oddworld's aesthetic will be disappointed that the portal doesn't fit Oddworld's aesthetic?

I was talking about the logo. I haven't made any comment about the portal, I actually think it looks fine.

Oh, right. Sorry.

Yeah, the logo sucks balls. Not much to be done now, though. I'm sure they'll do better with AE.

I hope the devs make some sort of making of video with this game. I like it when they show off the old vs the new stuff and explain why they changed it. For most of the time there are good reasons why they changed certain things. But some other developers that I've seen tend to just say "we changed it cuz it looked cool"

But I'm sure there are good reasons why. Just gotta wait and see the end product.

i love how dark and gritty the pre alpha screenshot is compared to the newer one

I was actually thinking that, funnily enough the one thing they seem to have right in the pre-alpha screenshot was the lighting haha.

To be fair in the new screenshot you have the chanting and the door that are producing light and thus changing the mood of the place. A comparison where those effects are not present would be more accurate.

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WTF?
No normal person will see the logo more than 1 minute when they play the game! That whole logo thread is a JOKE!

It's a JOKE! Who is a real artist and can really complain about it?
It's made up stuff, really stupid, to be honest, for example this stupid "the glukkons neck is wrong" thing. Who saw that? Who cares? Most of you wouldn't have even noticed if that thread would not exist. Be honest, how long do you see a games logo in general? At the start of the game? The intro, maybe the credits. That`s it. Oh, and it would also be on the box, but as most people should know, there will be no physical copies. What? that's new to you? It's not that it hadn't been stated about 30 times already. -.-

Most of the time I'm really pissed off by this forum!
Temp-Ban me for this shit post, I don't care anymore. All I do mostly is reading what you write anyway. I really hope this forum gets better when NnT releases. But I guess - no - I know you will not get better. Hopefully you don't scare away new fans. Chance is there.

Nep actually has valid points in his logo criticisms, even if we're all sick of him bringing it up. The logo is an important part of your brand. Was the thread necessary? No. Can I understand why people would want to pick at it? No. Did they make valid points? Yes.

I think we've been doing a fairly decent job lately of steering the hate-train in positive direction. There are still a few people, notably Varrok and Nep, who are pretty negative about everything, but other than that most people are accepting that NNT isn't goingto be perfect.

Also, it has to be said that most of the thread was fairly tame and constructive, and some of the things that we mentioned about the logo changed. People from JAW do read some of this.

I think now when I look at the logo, I feel it looks more acceptable, and not that bad at all.

Before, when we were all complaining about the logo, we had only seen the pre-alpha/early beta footage and screenshots. The logo is very simple, and if you slapped it on the alpha footage, it just looked cheap. But now if you have it slapped on the latest footage and screenshots, it somehow looks better, because the attention is on the actual footage, and not the logo, and the logo is now not a piece of art, but a simple piece of branding, and allows us to focus on how bloody awesome the in game stuff looks.

I thought I've written a few posts about how they did most of the things right in NnT, and I absolutely love that.

You still trend toward being a negative nancy, although maybe less lately.

What can I do, I'm just an emotionally invested jelly.

I think it's just easier, and one has more to talk about, when it's a negative opinion. Which probably gives an skewed impression of what people generally think about the game.

I have loads of positive things to say about this game, I just don't because everybody else is saying them.

Pirfsc fish, you should go take a break, have a coffee and chillax. There's no need to strain yourself.

This one's Phylum

Not it's not, it's Nepsotic, see it says right there.

Dammit, I always get them confused, CrashPunk.

Indeed we do. :)

Hello! There are more JAW members here than I thought. I remember like 5 or even six

Oh hi there, welcome to the OWF. I was wondering if you were ever going to post or were only here to lurk. :)

On the top of my head I remember Gilrod, jaw_alex, CrowbarSka, Alf and Wil. For some reason I have the impression I'm forgetting one.

Thanks.

Was just trying to find a spare moment!

BB-88, Johnny and tda. Glitch and happydan are also members.

The Alf account predates JAW, doesn't it?

Yeah, I missed more than one. It's their own fault, they need to post more :p

Yeah, Alf's been around for yonks.

Yeah and the guy using the Alf account now is definitely not a JAW employee.

Holy shit, his avatar, holy shit.

That's a well-chosen avatar.

What is your speciality in JAW, jaw_alex? :)

It's from this screenshot.