It may surprise you to learn that I was genuinely clarifying that I was not saying the same thing twice unwittingly. Also, pointing out that something is a meme doesn't make what I said a reference to said meme. In fact, saying 'X Y is X' is a meme itself, you smarmy little hypocrite, so your smarmy little point is lost on me. I wasn't aware this was a fucking contest.

Wait what

I mean seriously

I don't know where any of those points came from.

The "forced meme is forced" thing was both ironic (hence the use of a meme to say so), and more importantly directed at myself for bringing a meme (and a tired one at that, though I still like it) into a serious discussion-slash-heated argument.

I was fully aware that you duplicated your post for stylistic effect - hence the use of "Again,". It was just a nice oppurtunity to try and lighten the mood.

Edit: It was hard to interpret it that way given the wording and the fact that it was directed at me.

Anyway, yay! This thread has officially made me unreasonable. Leaving now.

Well you must be reading it wrong, because I sure as hell didn't write it wrong.

I'm sorry. Evidently your tiffs are far too sacred to be interrupted by levity. It's just everyone elses' conversations I'm allowed to chip in to. I won't make the same mistake again.

Now, come on. You know you're both going to regret this later just like I do when I freak out on WoF every once in a while, so let's just fart on our hands, and shake now so we can be done with it.

Well, I could say how these usually end up resolving, but frankly it would be in poor taste to do so and just escalate the argument. Suffice to say it's similar to what happens after MA flips out, except it takes longer.

Okay. You're sorry.

Sorry that Mac's so stoopid, yo.

Anyway, he's gone. I'm not apologising to myself, even if I had grounds to apologise in the first place.

I'm sorry I let the thread get off track with my own post policing, and I'm definitely sorry I bothered posting here at all. I guess I should know better. I'm sorry for skimping over Joe's reply to Alex just to continue the reign of butthurt. I'm sorry for misunderstanding Meech's post, but even with context I'm not reading it as a friendly little jibe, but clearly that's entirely my fault so fair enough. I'm going to try again and not shit down anyone else's neck.

Now can we please all make up so we can all remember what's really important here:

How retarded this is. Seriously.

fuck off joe Dragons are beautiful aminals

Otherkin!

Hey everyone, Mac is an Otherkin1

no I just speak to my tru aniamal side better than all of you

the purseelecotuion election needs to END

Ok back on topic people, or I'll go Nate on you all and infract the next person off topic.

Back to talking about such mood-lifting things as death and suicide and non-existence.

Is this irony? I mean, I started writing up a serious response, but... Dragons?

Hey man.. dragons are real!
http://www.amazfacts.com/2011/11/rea...indonesia.html

So how about the Milhouse question?

If you believe you have no soul, would you be prepared to sign control of it over to someone else for material gain (presuming the contract gives them no other control over you)?

If yes, there may be money to be made in selling on preowned atheist souls to wannabe occultists.

If I believed I had no soul, and someone wanted to buy then, then sure I'd 'sell' it.
But I am not sure whether we have a soul or not, or what it even means, so no I wouldn't sell it.

However I don't think you could sell a soul by creating an earthly contract regarding it, so if someone was willing to do that then yes :D

After seeing said episode and wondering if it worked, I sold my soul to one of my classmates when I was 15.

Guess what? No change.

Except when people constantly comment on how cold my hands are.

I'm with T-Nex.

a) Souls don't exist.
b) If I'm wrong about (a), souls can't be sold.
c) If I'm wrong about both (a) and (b), the world makes no sense and I won't give a fuck whether I have a soul any more.

Lol, a ginger sold his soul. Impossibru!

I sold mine about six or seven times for a quid when I was in school. Easiest money ever. I don't like the idea of souls, the very thought of it makes me feel like I'm just an animated husk ready to be thrown away when I become 'expired.' Beyond that, I have no idea what souls are meant to do once you die. The entire concept is just too vague to keep up with.

Save them up and bonfire that shit.

I'm not saying people are stupid for fearing death, it's instinct to be afraid of it, its hard-wired into our systems, I say I don't fear it, some people on here say the same, but we all have some level of fear of it.

I was saying that it's completely irrational to fear having nothing around you, as you will be unconcious, actually, scratch that, you will have no conciousness. that was why I was linking it to being asleep, in the way that you are not thinking.

I believe that the concept of the "soul", has derived from ancient times, when humans wanted an explination of our "conciousness", or something like that. Thats probably why people say when you die, your soul leaves you, goes to heaven or hell or whatever.

But its basic human thinking, "Hmm, we can't think of an explination for this (evolution ect.), so lets just say its a huge guy who controls everything and sits on a cloud, sorted, what's next?"

Whereas now we have all the technology, that proves theories like evolution. Yet all the die-hard christians still believe that this god made Adam out of some dust and went "oh, I need a bird. I know, I'll make one out of ya rib". And thats fine, each to their own and that, but don't be tryig to preach to me. Anyway I think I came off the topic a while back, I don't remember what my point was...

You're still not convincing me.

I quite like my sentience thank you very much.

And where was it before you were born? Just answer that.

It wasn't. I don't see what that has to do with it.

Why is it so hard for you to concieve of the fact that there is no consciousness, or sentience after you die, but you are happy to admit it wasn't there either before you were born? It's the same thing. Also, on a different note, when do babies gain consciousness? I thought I'd ask as we're on the topic.

It's not, it just scares the shit out of me. I don't want to be unborn.

That's a very very difficult question and you're going to have to operationalize what you mean by conciousness.

A wild abortion topic appears.

Ridg3 fled.

But you won't know that you're "unborn" because you'd have no consciousness.


Well, imagine being conscious in the womb, I have claustrophobia now, so I can't imagine what it would be like in there. What I mean is, at what stage of development (by that I mean being a fetus), do you become, aware. Like are you asleep in there until your being pushed out? or are you crying weeks before labour? It's hard to explain, but its too harrowing to thnk of a fully conscious and developed brain being active in the womb. Ah, maybe thats it, maybe you become conscious when your brain has fully developed. Does anyone understand what I'm saying at all?

It's not a matter of being afraid of what comes after death. It's a matter of not wanting the loss of life. It's a desire to do more, to experience more. It is not a lack of rationality that makes a person fear the end of their consciousness even though they know that once their consciousness is gone they won't miss it. It's very rational to desire continued life, and fear the ending of it.

I know that, but i'm saying it's irrational to fear after death, which some people do.

No, it's entirely rational to fear after death. You're arguing in circles here.

I think that the people who say that just aren't properly articulating their fear of ceasing to exist, which, like we've agreed, is entirely rational. Either that, or they believe in the supernatural, and are afraid of what will happen to their immortal soul, which is a rational response to an irrational belief.

I'm not talking about that though, I'm talking about the irrational fear of having no consciousness. You wouldn't be there to experience it, so whats the problem?

I do not understand this.

I am in position X, I have my sentience. I will be in position Y and lack it. You are saying because in position Y I will have no sentience to know I lack it, it's rational to not be scared of lacking it in position X?

Your argument is dumb.

Wings, man, you're not getting it.

A man bursts into your room and murders you.
You're dead, you don't care, so it's all cool.

But I'm alive. Your argument is meaningless. Also nonsense.

Oooh, I've been waiting a long time to do this.

JOKE.

Oh

I hate you