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Well this DNA was saying stuff like GODDACA |
Reeeaaally OANST! Also nice to see your back by the way.
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Why don't you link us to a document which displays this DNA evidence?
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Apparently the scientists have Shinigame eyes.
I MADE AN ANIME REFERENCE! |
I believe Jesus was a real person. A crazy, "prophetic" one, but a person nonetheless.
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The Romans crucified him, which was the most popular method to get rid of lunatics.
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Aha, this is something of similar relation in wikipedia, again not quite what I was looking for but I do remember this: :
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So, the first quote explained that it wasn't possible to use DNA. The second one attempts to place the shroud in the vicinity of Israel.
Neither of these prove it was Jesus'. Alcar... |
Yes, I realised the DNA thing couldn't be used properly and wanted to put that in because I realised it was wrong. The second one, proves the date is at the time of Jesus, Israel. Not were we thought it was made, France or Turin, 14th century or later.
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Now explain why that proves he existed. |
Wait hol' on a second, you are telling me you don't believe Jesus existed, shroud or not it is pretty much solid history he did...I mean really I have you mistaken right?
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e: hard evidence, not "well see this Israeli cloth" |
I'm sorry I promise I'm not trying to be snarky or down right rude to you but I am so tired from rugby, can I just link you this wikipedia article to you, it gives for and I think against arguments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
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Contrary to what almost every single person here, atheist or otherwise, have said, there is no proof whatsoever that there was ever a man named Jesus Christ. There is absolutely no documentation of his birth, imprisonment, or death. I don't mean that to say that the man didn't exist. Probably he did. But there is absolutely no proof.
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Pliny's documents and the codex (codices) aren't proof? What do you need a physical embodiment of the man to rub his nail holes into your face and take you for a flight round the block?
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Those are about Christians or Christianity, not Christ. Plus, they were written outside of his supposed life span.
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No one wrote about mother fucking Galileo until three years after he died, y'know why, because he was alive!
Calm down, calm down, ooosah! |
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Oh, and he invented the fucking telescope, let's not forget that evidence. e: AND HIS FUCKING TOMB |
http://www.evilscience.co.uk/wp-cont...0643073200.jpg
An actual campaign that was proudly displayed on buses around London. It obviously caused controversy and was made in response to Chrstian evangelical advertising. |
I think I remember seeing something about that in one of Bullet Magnet' blogs. I thought it was a funny ad.
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I have a telescope in the bedroom, I like to scare the people over the road...
I give up as well, I = go to bed now due to tiredism of the brain and lower extremities. ^ Funny picture. Made me lol which apparently is healthy be4 beddybubs. |
Has anyone else noticed how most religious arguments end up being everyone vs. Scrabtrapman?
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I remember it spread like wildfire around the bus enthuiast community (a whole different part of my life)
There was even a generator made http://ruletheweb.co.uk/b3ta/bus/ http://i54.tinypic.com/2qnp1sh.jpg |
^ Wow Jenny, that bus has you on it!
@Mr Bungle - I never do very well do I? |
I never said that. I just think that you certainly like to stick to your morals, which is good.
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@ LDG - Would you like to meet Lord Stanley? |
If I didn't know who Lord Stanley was, I would assume you were talking about your penis.
I think at times there has been some ganging up, but alot of it comes in response to quite outlandish claims (at least in the eyes of atheists) with very little evidence or anything to back it all up. I also think that leaning on "religious" relics is a very weak defence, alot of these things just magically appeared in the middle ages to help Christians justify the crusades. I'm sure if I really wanted I could find a finger bone of Jesus or the tears of the Holy Mother, it doesn't mean that they're real. Did you mention Gaius Plinius Caecilius Secundus, otherwise known as Pliny the Younger? He was born in 61 AD and let's assume he didn't start writing fully until he was 18, a mere 45-46 years after Jesus died. That's a long time, especially as Pliny lived in Italy (a mere 1550 miles away), in that time I can imagine it's difficult to get all the facts right. He may have written truthfully what he had been told by others, but stories grow (like Chinese Whispers) with every telling. - Rexy |
You have gotta stop assimilating my posts with sexual connotations.
Funnily, I don't really hold much belief in relics but the shroud, is certainly something I'd like to visit, it's the only one I think might be real. |
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*Checks Bible to see if description matches picture*
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Am I the only person who thinks religous arguments are stupid as shit?
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Science is discovering our universe and all existence and making rational conclusions based on what is most evident. Religion is something blindly follwed. So in an argument of logic any scientific teachings that contradict religious teaching would automatically be superior as science is something built around fact (not something made to counter religion). I would have respect for a religious person if instead of trying to create bullshit arguments they said something along the lines of: "Though there is little evidence to support my belief I do not chose to believe just as you do not chose to disbelieve. Therefore I try please my deity." |
That reminds me of an interesting feature in a game called Dwarf Fortress. When you join a religion their diety appears next to you, however they never reply to you or interact with anything else.
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However, spirits (called Loa,) can be served by the living, and can contact Bondye. Or something similar to that. It's been a long time since I've looked up Voodoo. |
Personally, given the strength of proto-Christian following in the years following Jesus' death, it's incredibly unlikely that he was entirely fictional. And I know more about ancient Judea than anyone on the forums (with the possible exception of Splat, but hes not posting in here), so shut up.
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Of course it's unprovable. Everything we define as 'proof' is contained within our universe.
I thought Jesus's real name was Yeshu or something, anyway. |