Learn to use quotes, man. It looks nicer.

Except that I'm an atheist and I'm clearly not ignorant of issues about religion. Neither was I intolerant or insulting. I asked you a simple, yet important, question and I'm still hoping for an answer.

By definition yes. You point to a table and tell me there is cheesecake there, while there clearly isn't any. Then you tell me I can't see it because it's invisible. But then how do YOU know there is an invisible cheesecake there? To which you would respond, "I know there is a cheesecake there because I found a note saying it's there."

In the above scenario, I think any normal person would be calling you an idiot. And they would have every reason to.

What if someone said they thought the lollipop they were eating was sweet? What an idiot, thinking the taste is imbedded in the food...Yes, and that's blue you're seeing in the sky...ha!

If that someone gives me the lollipop and I put it in my mouth, would I not taste the same sweetness?

You probably wouldn't taste exactly the same sweetness, there is in fact no actual property of 'sweetness' it's a gustatory perception.

Why would you want a second-hand lollipop?

You are both missing the point...

Yeah, you would taste the same perception of the chemical compounds that compose the lollipop.

You are missing my completely obvious yet completely ineffective joke.

Then come up with a better joke.

Why are you guys being so anal about what a lolipop tastes sweet? I don't care if it's a correct term or not, but a lolipop tastes sweet, and therefor IS sweet. If you don't know what a person means by saying this or simply choose not to, then I say you should be less anal <.< srsly. It's a stupid thing to complain about.

My point is that it's pointless to argue against faith because it doesn't rely on what makes arguments valid. If you're crazy for being able to see a jar on the table thatn no one else does, you might as well have been crazy in earlier times for suggesting that there are rays of energy surging around everywhere and are completelt indetectable by human senses. Faith just is, it can't be touched. It can certainly be thrown out the door though.

I HATE BAD ANALOGIES

I recognised it was a poor joke. The joke was that it was a poor joke. Would you like me to spoon-feed you my shitty humour next time?

I don't like shitty humor to begin with.

That's all part of the point. If people liked shitty humour, it wouldn't be shitty. The joke is that it is shitty. You've yet again missed the point.

oh god, Havocock is giving tips on jokes now. after all he would know what with the recent hilarious blog.

he's multi talented. it would seem that way, at least. cue the reply "i wasn't saying i was funny/thanks for pointing out the obvious."

Ok. So can you tell me why you choose to close your eyes to all the good arguments that have been made in this threads versus religion, and decide to play the "Atheists are just meen buttholes!!" card?
We all know by now that Havoc hates religion, and wouldn't mind bashing on them. Why point this out? Also he did sort of explain his reasoning later.

You seem to me, like a pick-and-chooser. Just like you choose to ignore everything from the bible, and think you can just choose your own path. It doesn't work like that!! You can't just commit crimes and then ask for forgiveness from God. At least I don't hope so. It sounds terrible. This world would be so evil. Wait... It is.

And why is it that you tell people not to discuss this further, yet proceed to get the last word in? What mainly bugs me is the text in bold.

I want answers damnit!

(I don't expect you to actually answer me btw)

Btw people, I think this discussion is far more interesting than all the spam above me.

Seems like he does think that, as he has no problem threatening me with... something, in various PM's. Seriously dude, if you're going to threaten someone at least tell them what you're going to do.

Anyway, after telling him that I was not afraid of some 18 year old newbie to life and who has 'bodyguard' filled in under Occupation, he was very quick to delete his profile page. Funny stuff.

Mister, do not try to pretend I've never made you laugh. I have my moments.

Why would you want a second-hand God? I mean, the Jews already used this one.

We don't need to pretend, Havoc.

I think Jesus was meant to be more like a sequel; bigger, higher budget, less plot and more explosions.

Just like WWII.

Michael Bay presents Jesus.

"What are you going to do?"
*removes cigarette*
".....I'm going to visit that temple."

Jesus enters Jerusalem at sunset.
Jesus hosts the Last Supper at sunset.
Jesus starts carrying the cross at sunset.
Jesus dies on the cross, at sunset.
Jesus rises on the dawn of Easter Sunday...at sunset.

"Jesus! What is the meaning of this?! why have you come here?"
*removes sunglasses*
"I'm casting the first stone."
*fires rocket launcher into temple*

"Love and understand this, bitches."

Jesus swordfights a ninja to death.

Starring Daniel Craig as Jesus, Angelina Jolie as Mary, and Javier Bardem as Judas.

*I know virtually nothing of the Bible.

Don't you enter Javier Bardem into this shitfest. That guy is fucking fantastic.


Also, Jesus has a Cthuluesque tentacle penis that he uses for stealth kills. It's also prominently featured in the Mary Magdalene sex scene.

Have you ever seen Goya's Ghosts? You should already know from No Country for Old Men that he can radiate ebilness.

Christopher Lee then. No, he's also too good. Ah, fuck it. Just put in that guy who played Cipher from The Matrix.

I think watching that would generate about the same response as watching this.

No way am I embedding that, I have my limits.

Yeah, but he does so much more. Watch Before Night Falls, and Love in the Time of Cholera. The second is a decent interpretation of the excellent book, and the first is an excellent biopic about Cuban author and poet Reinaldo Arenas.

Yeah, I know he's brill. But seriously, who could play a better Judas?

*This is where I shut up because I still don't know shit about the Bible. :tard:


I'm so going to hell.

iant. You forgot a iant.

We're talking about a Michael Bay movie here, anyone who's done an inch of research would know that Judas was either a good man that let his greed and cowardice consum him (Like Adam and Eve) or a good man possessed by the devil. We're thinking in cliches here.

So how about Alan Rickman for Judas? Or would he be better as Pilate? Definitly a black wrestler to play Barrabas.

I can't wait to see him create his famous workout routine.

that's just as ignorant as labeling all Christians as stupid (but in this case, the athiests are winning, because for some reason you don't understand how to use apostrophes after nouns... stupid)

But does evil really exist?