Fact is I don't have a shadow. ;)

Does that make me some kind of creature of the night as has been supposed?

To Catch a Predator: Pilot Edition.

Wow, I do take things too far. :eek:

How many people are going to have Turkey or Chicken for Thanksgiving/Christmas?
Think you can catch one yourself? Good luck matey!

Alert: Idiot argument spotted!

By this logic, the Turducken is the ultimate insult to animal rights activists.

Since this topic's been brought up again...I'll firstly say I don't get Alex's earlier argument that it's ok to hunt animaals because an animal killing a human baby is horrendous. It just seems sort of hypocritical. I get that the death a of a baby is bad but, that's not a reason to hunt animals.

Also, Psychocath, if you are honestly likening euthanising a pet to hunting you clearly have no experience of the former. We had to put down our 20 year old cat in September, because she was dying slowly and painfully and had stopped eating, and was stopping drinking too. It was the most painful experience of my life. That is not remotely comparable to hunting, and to think so is simply astounding.

So, this dead horse has been beaten long enough. I won't whine about how horrible it is to kill a baboon. What I will say, is that the only fucking hunting I will ever respect will be of the easter egg variety. GRAM GRAM REALLY HIDES EM

whats wrong with hunting they just animals:fuzconf:

Moral choices are so much simpler when you live in dutch.

Yeah, you dutchinese have it easy.

I can tell that you founded PETA.

Meh, I couldn´t be arsed to read all six fucking pages of this.

It´s malevolent, so it´s rather close to "evil" IMO. He wanted to know what it´s like to kill a human? Fucking sociopath. For once, I agree with Havoc. I don´t like killing, even for necessity, and that´s why I´ve come very close to becoming a vegan at some points. If the whole world suddenly outlawed meat consumption, I would get along fine. I just think of the film Fast Food Nation and seeing that cow about to have the only existence it will ever know snuffed out of it, and then taken a part just to sustain us indulge our appetites. As for helping the ecosystem, like Chris pointed out, I guess it´s justified since humans have probably done their part in bringing the ecosystem to that point. But I don´t know.

Yeah, I really did have to add in my .02.

See, I read a really good article by the internationally renowned ethicist Peter Singer back in April on the rights of animals. I gave up around halfway through because it was becoming increasingly obvious that the man was a militant vegan, but I think I should go back and give it another shot.

I'm a vegetarian, actually.

Anyway, killing a baboon for absolutely no reason is just plain sick (I have no idea if I've posted on this thread before). Oh, he had a reason, but it wasn't a good one so I don't count it.

And the way animals are treated is so horrible. I don't know if you've ever seen battery chickens...

OOPS

I'm not a vegetarian who hates people who eat meat; I don't care what people eat. I just think it's horrible how (some) people treat animals.

People who hunt for fun, or, more properly, because it gives them a feeling of power and superiority, I just can't understand. Now people hunting for food - I'm all for that, provided they don't do anything like picking rabbits up by their hind legs and bashing them against walls. That's the way animals should be caught, not locked in tiny cages all their miserable lives, sitting in their own dung.

I won't even go into pigs...

OOPS

Come on, man. No one wants to see that shit.

unless you want me to make another 10 paragraph rant about slaughterhouses (in Britain, anyway) guaranteed to being a hell of a lot more humane and resourceful than hunting is, read up on what you are talking about.

also, i do not agree with hunting for fun, but i definitely do not agree that farming is in the same league, because i know it isn't. and like i said before;

not all farmers agree with all other methods of farming.

I didn't mean all farms, I meant battery farms. I though I said that :fuzconf:

you mentioned pigs. there is no such thing as a battery farmed pig. it is either farmed and called a 'pig unit', or factory farmed and called 'fucking cruel'. i assumed you didn't know about the latter and thought that picture was pig farming, which it looked like it wasn't.

actually, could i have the link to that pig picture you posted? because that could have simply been a couple of pigs that had died naturally (diseases/scouring) and kept in a pen out the way until being transported for incineration. i can't remember the picture properly.

I lost it. Anyway, I've read about this stuff and seen a lot of pictures and - yes, 'factory farmed' is the correct term, anyway pigs die all the time because there's no light, they're crowded, they're fed chemicals to make 'em grow faster... and I'm fairly sure they still chop up those dead pigs for meat.

And kangaroo hunting here in Australia is fucking awful. They kill millions every year, the kangaroos are dying out... they're not allowed to shoot them in the neck, because they do slowly, but the perverted bastards do it deliberately because it makes 'em bleed and the meat's better.
They lop the kangaroo heads off and sell as "KANGAROO MEAT!" to the tourists.

Battery chickens have their beaks chopped off, they have about ten chickens per cubic foot and they live in their own poo. They feed them growth hormones so the grow up quickly and die even quicker.

But evil: does it really exist?

Unfortunately, Mr. Sheils, your fad has not caught on.
See us again in a week.

yeah, factory farming. not farming. if you have read up on it you should have labelled it as factory farming and not let people assume its how they are farmed everywhere. thats why i informed you what it was/may have been (CANT REMEMBER).

and if i can remember that picture right, those pigs didn't look anywhere near the correct weight for slaughter yet. and believe it or not, even factory farms are bound by legalities to incinerate animal carcasses that die of unknown causes, disease, scours and other young animal illnesses, and of course, ones that have medication in their system. i believe its no longer permitted to bury due to the whole possible anthrax situation that could occur in the ground, and later be unearthed.

but i can only assume as i'm going by the 10 seconds of its image in my memory.

Those pigs are here: http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/pig-ff-02.jpg

I don't know anything about the site, I just searched Google for pigs. I've seen images like that before though. These particular ones might be something different.

Look at that image, and then:

http://www.goveg.com/images/432-Toptenpigs.jpg


Aren't they cute?

Chris Farley's coroner photos.
But who's the other guy?

Actually, I have nothing good to say about the mistreatment of animals. That picture could easily be taken out of context though.

I'm not really effected by animals dying all that much. I mean, it's not that I don' care but it'd have to be something like a whale dying to really get to me. I know it's not the best way to handle things, just killing them off but think about it.. if they didn't kill kangaroo's all year, they would have so many they'd be up to their armpits in em'.

Same with deer, deer are beautiful creatures.. but if they weren't hunted year round, people would be killed in crashes from the overwhelming herds of deer on a daily basis that it'd be too late to do anything.

I'm just saying some animals die because there is a threat of a take over at times. It's a heck of a lot better way to go then to be in a world so overwhelmed with.. Pigs, for instance, that they'd starve from lack of food.
But I'm all against unneeded animal abuse, it's cruel, wrong and evil.

I think treating cats and dogs like some are on shows like animal cops, should be punishable by death.

I think you're quite wrong about overwhelming herds. I mean, if humans didn't exist, it's not like deer and kangaroos would take over the world, is it?

from here; images of dead animals. not nice viewing.

yeah, they're too young. i stopped the quote where it goes on a mini peripheral rant about killing pigs at that age. they seem to forget where the fuck lamb comes from. but that's factory farming for you; it aint the way it's supposed to be. mainly due to greed that these factories are set up, that and a bodge-job easy way to keep feeding the population. which we wouldn't have to do like that if they stopped building on farm land.

so those pigs were not put into the food chain.

also, give me evidence that the picture of the 2 piglets are not in fact pets. they sure as hell look like they are. and tell me what your point is exactly? yes, they're cute, and yes, i'd rather look at them than the others. so? what is your argument in that post? visual aesthetics should not have any bearing on the judgement of whether an animal lives, dies, or any other matter.

I'm fed up with this. I get the feeling I'm giving the impression of a tree-hugging hippy animal activist shit. I'm not. I'm just saying it's sick that the same species can let pigs (which are very intelligent, you know) bloat and die and even start rotting before they incinerate them, and keep them as pets and bathe them and hug them and play with them.

I don't mind people eating them, but most people treat animals as if they're there for us - our pleasure, to do what we want with. I don't actually like those happy pigs, because the people who keep them probably eat factory farmed meat and don't give a shit.

"I eat these pigs"
"I play with these pigs"
"tough luck"

We're actually animals too, y'know. We may wear clothes and have complicated languages and invent guns and nuclear missiles, but we're really pretty much the same.

It's not so much that as it's they have collected in large groups in small areas. They won't migrate en masse, and because of the exceptional conditions of the areas they are reproducing much faster. The problem is, there are so damn many and they aren't evenly distributed enough, so they quickly exhaust their food supply and many end up starving to death over the winter. You'd think this would help in shaving down the numbers, but it doesn't. It's pretty much just an ongoing cycle of a surplus population of deer dying slowly and painfully and taking a little more of their food supply with them each time it comes full circle.

Oh, ench said something.. Um, no? they wouldn't "take over".
But they'd eat all known plant life until the had little choice but to devour each other.
In "this" time an age they would anyway if they were allowed to breed and multiply.

That's only 'coz of where the humans put 'em >>

Your entitled to your own opinion, I suppose.

You all fail ecology forever.

Herbivores aren't adventitious eaters. They wouldn't suddenly become carnivores, they would go extinct before that happens.

In the end, nature rights itself, but we tamper with so many of it's processes that it takes alot longer than it used to.

Mmmmmm...
 

Oh yeah, bet they would make a great BLT.
Sorry if that offends anyone, but my gosh they look delicious.

Pigs tend not to look like that once they grow up.

HOHOHOHO

I want a pet Kune Kune:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/14/15...0213702426.jpg

Yeah. Like I said that picture looks out of context to me.
Those pigs aren't dead, they're just being pigs - fat, dirty, and sleepy.

Dirty? Pigs aren't dirty.