I don't think you can say it. I don't think you saw what I really saw.

Sorry Bullet Magnet... I didn't get your point.
Oh and please next time PM me for questions like that.

He means that constant pessimism will only get us further into this mess.

If we can't be prepared to try new things we'll never get out of the hole we've dug for ourselves.

Oh Okay... So you are right but we shouldn't just talk about it.
We should do something... but what?
My point: Lets think of what we could do to slow global warming down.

We must stop polluting the atmosphere. But now in the world there too much inequalities of the countries. Poor countries cannot afford newest kind of technologies that do not pollute (filters, ecological engines and fuels...). So, the first point is to wait until poor countries will be as rich as others. And then a global discussion about global warming can be started for everyone. Another problem are wars. I think it is realated to the previous. But the very big problem is: have we time to wait?

Yeah but how are we gonna stop that.
(that's what I meant)

Have you been reading this thread from the start?

Really?

Really really?

Really really really?

Read closer then.

What is your problem wings?
Anyway I didn't read whole thread!

He doesn't need new problem, Wings of Fire.
AlienMagi, you can find everything you need in the thread. Anyway we will tell you it.

Okay... I'll read it then...

That is my problem Mr Martain Manhunter sir. The problem of how to slow down or stop/reverse global warming is the one we have been debating since the beginning of this thread. You don't really think the thread was made to just bloody talk about the effects did you?

Then you are a bad member. Always read a thread before replying if you don't want to look like a drooling moron

Don't defend him, Wings of Fire was perfectly correct in his argument.

Good. You're starting to wind me up and you've only been back 10 posts.

Awesome my first post!! Let me just say ahead im a specialist in this area, for as far as that goes for a 16 year old student. I've seen An Incovenient Truth, which is a lecture given by Al Gore. It's shocking, terrible and something has to be done. All manner of natural glaciers are vanishing and water levels are rising. Several billions of dollars are spent every year, which could have been spent on cool stuff like a cheaper economy (sweets háve to get cheaper!), so I intend to change it, when I grow up. if i ever do XD.

Ok, Sticker. Thank you for posting here. Now I want to attach some images of glacers. Very big glacers. But I want to show you with these photos, what is going on on glacers. In the images that I will post, there are two photos: one of about 70 years ago near a photo of a few years ago. The first I want to show you is of Adamello-Mandron Glacer. It was enormous. Now it does not exist.

That was on the Al Gore slideshow to!! How did you get that? But anyhow, your right and ladies and gentleglocks ^^ this is just the tip of the iceberg... oooops wrong metaphor. There are loads of exampels, but this is by far the most touching:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zapLvLO98dU

Watch it and cry for it.

*sighs* It's real sad aint it? Anyhow, I intend to really do something about this, and I mean that (ladies and gentlemen, savor this moment. I'm serious!). Oh and btw, Abe is now I love your signature can i plllllz use it? *cute puppyeyes*.

A new image about glacers melting. This is Kilimangiaro's glacer from 1993 to 2000.

Anyway I sent you a PM for my sig, Sticker.

And there so many solutions!! Geothermal energy, weight of water, tidal energy, solar energy, biomass, kinetic energy usage. And im just an noob in this field, experts have loads of ideas. if only that could go public huh? But anyhow, my intention is to become a famous writer some day and then start giving monthly lectures.

There are no miracle solutions. While it is true that there are human oppositions and apathy hindering progress, they have more than their fair share of issues that have prevented their widespread execution.

Sticker and AIN make me LOL.

Ghost... your just weird. BM, you do realise that all those COMBINED might work? And there no miracle solutions, it's like a key to a door. It's not like im taking a box of grenades and blowing up the whole door.

Yes, I am aware, and that is not the problem: the problem is implementing any of them on a large enough scale. Tidal, for instance, you need to find geography that will allow for the dam, you need to build this huge great thing in there, and the ecological effect of the loss of tidal energy on that piece of coastline is huge.

Solar energy requires the hugely expensive and Carbon Dioxide-costly production of its components, seven years ago it took more energy to manufacture a solar panel than it would ever produce it its lifetime, I can only hope that those values have been improved.

Geothermal energy is only useful in those few places where there is geothermal energy, and believe me, it is being used in those places. Iceland is fortunate enough to have become totally independent of fossil fuels because of it.

Methane production from biomass is useful, but difficult to carry out, and the richest output of bio-methane, cows and garbage dumps, cannot be exploited.

Wind is great, but the peculiar NIMBY attitude that plagues many nations causes more harm than they can know.

Hydroelectric dams have major ecological impacts that must be tackled, especially in salmon and European eel rivers.

Waves carry enormous potential, but good luck accessing it.

I could go on. These are all solutions, yes, and will proper public support, education and the banishment of oil barons we could do good work with this stuff. But they all carry major problems of their own, some more debilitating than others.

You're right. These new kinds of energy are great, but they can't be applied everywhere, for many reasons that you wrote. But if men could be united, if they could work togheter peacefully, and if they could work to find a way to stop global warming... those problems could be gone past. And the world would be the old earthly paradise. But wars, policy, corruption and hatred make every search more difficult.

Guys, hold on just one second.

Since when does abe is now! Have long hair, breathe smoke through that funny vase thing and throw flowers around?

Like I said before, if you're REALLY bothered about it then stop adding to the CO2 count and go back to the dark ages. Cause by the time these soultions are in place it will already be too late.

That's rubbish we can save the earth and as long as there will be heroes like Al Gore fighting for it we'll go in the right direction. Lets hope we can get in done before the North Pole melts in 23 years.

Al! Gore!

He's Our Hero!

Gonna kick Global Warmin' Down to ZERO!

Al Gore, Linkin Park and Coke are going to save us all.

The problem with that being that it's illegal in a number of ways.

Support or sarcasm I can't decide.

Since when has that stoped people? :p

What, you know people roughing it like that?

You got a point, either living outside or in the warm, quality resturant jail.

No big deal, you fail at both.

You crazy people. Why is someone joking about Global Warming? Isn't it bad for you? Do you really think we haven't anything to do to stop it? I ask you only... think.

I loled
We have been thinking. Problem is that we can't implement any ideas so the thread logically deteriorates and either dies of disuse or the jokes get gradually worse until Hobo's forced to close it.

Theres only so much you can say about this until you start repeating yourself on topics like this and the addition of BM to any topic effectively halves its air time.

New stuff:
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=ov6GPTB4Tio (sorry but there were not the embed code.)



New terrifying stuff is coming, let me prepare the pictures.

Wooow that dude rocked! Anyhow here's my addition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_air_car

This is an article about a compressed air car, which operates via using compressed air in a similair manner benzine is used in a car. They simply use the expansion of the air to let the car drive.

Advantages

The principle advantages for an air powered vehicle are:

* CAT redureces the cost of vehicle production by about 20%, because there is no need to build a cooling system, fuel tank, spark plugs or silencers.
* Most compressed air engines do not need a transmision, just a flow control.
* Very low self-discharge rate (most batteries will deplete their charge without external load at a rate determined by the chemistry, design, and size, while compressed gas storage will have an extremely low leakage rate)
* Long storage lifetime device (electric vehicle batteries have a limited useful number of cycles, and sometimes a limited calendar lifetime, irrespective of use). This means that batteries in operation are much more expensive than compressed air storage, and are more pollutant because a lot more pollutant material needs to be used (typical car batteries are made from sulphuric acids and lead).
* Lower initial cost than battery electric vehicles when mass produced (€3,000).
* Expansion of the compressed air reduces its temperature and heat from the passenger compartment may be cooled using a heat exchanger, providing both relief from hot weather air conditioning and increased efficiency.
* Zero pollutant emissions from the vehicle itself.
* There is already infrastructure in place for creating massive amounts of compressed air (i.e. local home center for air compressors)
* Compressed air is not a fire hazard, only a rapid depressurization hazard (this can be mitigated by using carbon fiber tanks like firemen do).
* Air turbine technology, closely related to steam turbine technology, is a practice over 50 years old. It is simple to achieve with low tech materials. This would mean that developing countries, and rapidly growing countries like China and India, could easily implement a less polluting means of personal transportation than an internal combustion engine automobile.

Disadvantages

Having solved most of the high pressure storage and handling problems, the main remaining disadvantages are related to the thermodynamics.

* At the supply station, compressing the air heats it, and if then directly transferred in a heated state to the vehicle storage tanks will then cool and reduce the pressure. If cooled before transfer, the energy in this heat will be lost unless sophisticated low grade heat utilization is employed (see cogeneration).
* Within the vehicle, expansion and consequent pressure reduction in the throttle or engine chills the air, reducing its effective pressure. Addition of ambient heat will increase this pressure and this addition leads to a more complex propulsion system. While an attempt was made in the Nègre system to warm the air in a long portion of the stroke at top dead center, it appears that this scheme has been abandoned due to inherent imbalances causing unacceptable levels of vibration.
* Passenger compartment heating is more difficult since the propulsion system does not provide a source of waste heat. Some form of heat pump, or more likely, an electric heater would be required.
* Limited range due to available tank technology. The air engine suffers from similar problems to hydrogen vehicles in this regard.
* Using energy to compress air is less efficient than charging a battery with that same energy.
* Less efficient than electric motors.
* While the air engine reduces greenhouse gas emissions from the vehicle, the energy used to compress the air may not come from clean sources.
* Long refill times when compared to conventional automobiles, circa 4 Hours using a home or low-end system; a few minutes at a larger, commercial refilling station.[3]

The primairy disadvantage is the lacking tank technology, which basicly means you can only drive a limited distance before having to tank. This can be solved, in theory, by collecting air whilst driving. All current engines use air collected while driving to cool the engine. What could be done is collecting the air whilst driving, use the energy generated from the driving (which is collected by dynamo's to the wheels). This energy could be used to charge a thermal compressor to compress air and thus create fuel while driving. This could reduce the amount of fuel needed to very little or even nothing. Ofcourse, I'm not a specialist and I cant do the math needed for this. So I'm not sure whether that would work but it could help right? If worried about the regular we can turn to another fact; it would take only 3 bucks to fully refuel a tank. Another idea is to pump yourself buuut that might take a while. Anyhow that's what I've got.

Yes, thank you for helpling me in this incredible fight against the "monsters".

Three new comparisons:
1)A Glacer of Perù 15 years ago and now.
2)The Rhone Glacer in Switzerland
3)The Tschierva Glacer in Switzerland.

You two should meet and smoke some good ol' wacky baccy together. :tard:

And it's not the 'monsters' its 'Them' 'The Power' or 'Authority'