I don't think they should adopt, that would affect the kid in the future roughly.

Why do you think it woul affect the children's future?

- Rexy

Yeah, how can it?

If you mean that the child would turn out gay as well, that's rubbish. A gay couple can have an adopted child that is straight and will continue being straight despite their parents' sexual orientation.

Homeless people do not have the right to adopt.
People in a 2 by 2 apartment do not have the right to adopt.
People with a metal disability do NOT have the right to adopt.
Downright idiots SHOULD not have the right to adopt but are often first in line.
And last but not least, George Bush does not have the right to adopt OR reproduce (I just but that one in for drama XD)

I don't care if that discrimination, placing children with these people is child abuse. You tell me what you rather have.

Havoc

Again, everyone has the right to adopt or bare a child. It doesn't matter what financial situation they're in, or what mental disibilities they have, they can still make fantastic parents. It all depends on the person.

Also, if you're going to discriminate against only a few types of people, why then, do all the others who do not fall into those categories, who are bad parents, allowed to raise children? Isn't that child abuse too? The point is you can't tell someone "You can't raise a child". It's a liberty everyone possesses, and one that should never be taken away.

I disagree. I think Havoc's right.

Homeless people don't have the right to adopt a child whilst they are homeless. That's cruel, imagine how much harder it will make their lives and the child would almost automatically be taken into care.

I think people with severe mental disabilities should not be allowed to adopt. But that's my personal opinion as they would not be able to care for the child.

Everyone should have the right to love and have a child, but would you feel the same if a convicted peadophile wanted to adopt a little 5 year old girl?

- Rexy

Well, if they have a history, then I agree, they shouldn't be able to adopt a child. However, there's always a risk that a child will wind up with abusive parents or foster parents. It's not as if it can be prevented. There's just some sick people out there.

You're right. It's impossible to prevent 100% of all bad adoptions. But you can stop the 99.95% where it would be bleedingly obvious to any adoption councellor that the prospective parents are not capable of taking care of a child properly.

Well, I think it depends on certain things like whether the he went through some form of castration or was decided by a group of people if he was fit to raise a child.

I'll kill you. Just keep that in mind.

That's the stupidest thing I ever heard you say... :fuzconf:

Whatever, I feel silly now for saying it.

I was about to say Gabe, I'm all for leftism but that doesn't stop the prickless old man fondling your tits.

Kudos anyway. :D

No I wasn't suggesting that. I meant just as like ages 5-12. You know. Having two dads or two moms would kind of make the kid feel left out.

I have nothing against homosexuals and what they do. I support it. But adopting is kind of a different matter.

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How about if one man without a wife wanted to adopt?

Well, alot of kids feel left out when it comes to parents. Just look at kids with divorced parents.

And single people aren't allowed to adopt, apparently, unless they are very well off. I think they should be able to adopt, however, if they feel that they're up to the responsibility.

If people want to adopt, why don't they do a oral and written test, it would kinda show if the person is good enough to be a parent or not, unless they cheat!

Not particularly. I mean, you can ask a question like:

Q) Beating your child is a good form of punishment.
a) No, never!
b) Not if there's an alternative.
c) It's good in moderation.
d) I WANT TO SEE BLOOD!!!!

And most people are going to get the right answer. I'd say to stick with the current situation where trained social workers check out the couple and see if they're trustworthy.

The current system in most countries works well enough as it is, yea. People can fake their answers on a sheet of paper, although the question Nate happened to post is a tricky one because IMO, with good parenting comes the occasional slap on the butt, but social workers seem to think thats child abuse for some reason so yea.

Tiger

That wouldn't necessarily work, since people can just fake their answers and choose the one they think the official wants to hear. And as Havoc said, certain parents may think that spanking their children is perfectly fine in moderation, while social workers may see it as a mild form of child abuse. What it all comes down to is that you can't really give a potential parent a test, since every parent has their own method of bringing up a child. Some of which a social worker, or the creator of such an exam, would not agree with or fully understand.

Second stupid thing is that some social workers are single and have no children and are then deciding for others whether they are fit. Also BS... but we're drifting from the subject at hand :).

Tiger

OT: So you're saying a single person isn't eligible to adopt?

Why is that. The only reason I can think of is that he wouldn't have time to tend to the child because of work. But lets just say he's a Millionaire and doesn't work.

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"Beating" is sort of a strong word to say. I am sure thats how the whole propaganda started.. Or some person just had a phobia of hitting their child.

Nope. Adoption agencies don't allow it unless the single parent has a very good salary. If he were a millionaire who doesn't work, problem solved. Although, honestly, even millionaires need to work to pay the bills :p.

It depends on the circumstances I think, but general if you don't have time to sustain a kid there is no reason in trying to adopt one I recon.

Tiger

Yes, But I was just trying to compare. If just one person wanted to adopt and had time to take care of him/her (somehow), would there be a problem?

It would depend on the kind of person they are, as well as how busy their schedule is.

Well if they are rich, live in a huge villa, don't have to work ect. ect. then no I wouldn't think there to be a reason not to let the person adopt, but with the added term that the child itself gets to decide if he/she wants to live with only a single parent in the first place.

I also happen to be watching season 9 of JAG, where Harm adopts a little girl while he's still working AND single. I dunno if they based that on reality or made that to fit into the show though.

Tiger

Ok, So... We pretty much got that out of the way.

Homosexuals! and why?

Because they deserve the chance to raise a child just as much as another common person.

Yeah, um... I think this thread is pretty much dead. Again.

I pretty much think you've found the reason that no one can deny to. Which should (and hopefully) put this thread to an end.

But if we did, then we might miss having an overly religious person and/or gaybasher coming in, starting trouble, and having an all out war against them :p.

Well, clearly all the fundamentalists round here learnt their lessons last time. We should start recruiting for some more. Perhaps some posters up outside church equating Abe with Jesus?

What with the whole 'savior who dies then comes back to life' thing...

Oooh, good idea. But why stop at the church? Why not associate Abe with every religious figure? I'm sure he can relate to each one in some way :p.

That would surely make this forum even more active.

How would you associate Abe with Buddha?

The mudokon culture does have some heavy Buddhist influences, especially as depicted in AO.

The funny thing is that he is dead freakin' serious.

Let's not digress into a Abe pwns religious figures conversation.

Is homosexual adoption legal in the uk yet? [And other places too?]

- Rexy

Good to see the UK allowing it. :)

But then, can single people adopt? Because so long as the other people in the household check out, then what difference does being homosexual make, other than rampant discrimination?

I think it would be allowed, so long as the person checks out. You know, without a large police record or anything else against them.
Overall, isn't it really up to the adoption agency?

Why does anyone care? Let them adopt.