Slog Bait can get along just fine, I just started shit for no reason.

dis guy

when there's rep involved, it's time to get hostile

I see where you’re coming from, but there is a difference between using male pronouns to describe Jenner specifically while discussing past events, and to consistently refer to Jenner as Bruce and to use male pronouns throughout the entire discussion.

That’s entirely possible. It doesn’t mean those feelings aren’t genuine and that Jenner is indeed transgender, and you seem to be trying to prove she isn’t.


You’re seriously downplaying the effort that goes into transitioning by describing it as “playing on controversial topics”. Surgery, therapy, hormone medication, mountains of legal paperwork, learning a completely new set of social rules, body language, voice training, wardrobe change, potential ridicule, potential loss of friends/family, and even putting oneself at risk of being assaulted.

Pretending to be gay would be “playing on controversial topics”. Pretending to be trans would be batshit insane.


It’s not really a secret that the Kardashian family lives vicariously in the public eye, so it’s consistent with that behaviour, for one thing. For another, I can easily imagine someone with that amount of influence deciding to use it to try and publicize and educate an issue they care deeply about , and to be a role model to others with the same condition – whether that’s egotistical or not doesn’t change the intent behind it.


I haven’t once tried to convince you that Jenner is a good role model or someone to look up to, I’m trying to tell you that it’s highly unlikely she would go to such lengths to fake such a condition. Keeping one piece of her anatomy doesn’t invalidate the extensive alterations to other areas, nor does it invalidate all the other work that goes into transitioning and maintaining her appearance.


Not every trans woman wants to get a functional vagina. It’s a known fact, it doesn’t invalidate their identity.

I definitely said the stuff about dicks and vaginas just to be irksome. I genuinely don't know the anatomical considerations a trans person must face in undergoing gender reassignment.

I keep going back to being judgemental about 'Hollywood spin', but I don't mean to trivialize gender dysphoria. I think that the most reasonable way I can phrase myself, is that Caitlyn Jenner herself emerged out of what all evidence points towards as a case of genuine transexuality, as far as I understand it, which I think it's fairly obvious is less of a fundamental comprehension of what that means than you have. I mean to judge the role that publication of these facts may play in litigation, not the events and feelings that led up to to the publication of these facts, and not because I think it will effect my social or political perspective on Trans people as a whole, but because I am a remorseless gossip who admittedly reads tabloids.

I believe that the public announcement, not the surgery, therapy, and other channels through which sexual reassignment occurs, was a tactic used for the sake of pushing attention away from the vehicular manslaughter. This isn't necessarily for the sake of greed, as I've been implying, but could simply be because Jenner is representative of a devalued group of people and it's better to reflect on the positives than the negatives to avoid toxifying the issue further.

Again, it is neither my position to judge nor in my current knowledge to understand how sexual reassignment works. I simply think it should be acknowledged (somewhat stubbornly) that the two events (those being the crash and the publication and press tour associated with Jenner's 'coming out') coincided in a way that was convenient to galvanize a particular disingenuous sympathy for Caitlyn Jenner that was wholly removed from the fact that, at whatever stage in her life she was, someone died because of her actions.

And uh...you're not implying this, at all, but I do not think that the accident was caused by the fact that Jenner is a woman. Okay, now I'm just being silly.

That being said, I think we're basically agreed on the subject, albeit my position on the media is a pessimistic one and I feel like yours is positive. It is good that she came out, I just think it's too bad she happens to be a murderer.

Can we all just agree that women are inferior to men and transsexualism doesn't exist? There is no man or woman or in between, only Scrabtrapman, for it is all encompassing and knows compassion for every microcosmic avatar that constitutes its whole.

Yeah, that pretty much covers it, I think we’re on the same page now. (Although I’ll personally wait to see the outcome of the court case before calling anyone a murderer.)

Xorlydir, which international day will you choose next time? http://www.un.org/en/sections/observ...national-days/

World Cancer Day seems fun. Let's celebrate cancer

Isn't that basically the same thing as Women's Day?

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I didn't expect to see debates/flamewars of this caliber going on on a forum about old videogames.

I think I'm gonna like it here.

Okay, I'll agree with that in theory. But making the judgement call on other people's motivation is a foolish proposition.

Sometimes it's obvious Nate. It's not like I'm going around going "well she's clearly bullshitting."

Well, the way you've been posting here makes it sound like you're assuming that more often than not.

Skepticism =/= Transphobia

What's there to be skeptical about? How and why would you need to know and why do you care? How does someone identifying as trans affect you in any way whatsoever and what purpose does your judgement or skepticism serve?

You can still doubt something without being actively concerned about it.

That's not answering any of my questions. For what purpose do you doubt?

I don't necessarily doubt, but I'm skeptical because so many people lie about it for attention. Also I'm a skeptical person.

Be happy. Do not care. It is not worth it. Nothing shall be changed.
Everyone dies. There is no need to waste energy on negativity.

I don't care.

How do you know that?

You keep saying that but obviously you care about a lot of things, otherwise you wouldn't get so worked up every time someone opposes you.

Nepsotic is as gentle as a lamb.

Lamb of God

I'm not worked up, there's a difference. For example, when I post it's because I think it's hilarious. If you want "getting worked up all the time" go and look through your own post history.

That is literally what I was talking about

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Seriously, can't you two get along?