I need to stop reading this thread before I have a fucking stroke

That's my Christmas gift to you!

Thank you sir much appreciated

Youtube exists since 2005, and it only gains more and more popularity since then. It's a little bit more than 8 years so far and let's say it's about a 10th of an average lifespan. Considering that watching videos will be a thing for the next 60-70 years (there's no real evidence that it would stop, people love looking at moving pictures), and paying the creators money makes them produce better videos and so increase the site popularity (profitable for managers), I can't find a single reason not to earn money like that as long as you're convinced you won't lose your popularity (if you're good at this and put much of an effort, you probably won't). And if youtube finally breaks down, the rival sites would probably still offer a payment for you making good videos, so you won't end up near a Walmart's cash register

Have you seen the amount that they get from ad revenue? It's paltry. Compared to other media sources, it's almost "take advantage of you paltry." And it's very difficult to consistently create in a way that can keep a decent income coming in year after year. It may work for a small few, but for the vast, vast majority of users, it should not be considered a career, but a tool to enter a career.

It all depends. I'm not saying they're paid much, (sometimes they are) but, contrasting with making videos on other media sources, it completely maintains your creativity and you can do more controversial videos (like "FUCK GOOGLE PLUS" ones) and still get some dough from that. That makes them going, because they don't want a normal, boring job like most of the people, they just want to do what they love.

What I mean is you can't generalize and call each one a loser (indirectly), some of them have actually bigger balls than you and choose the harder way.

No one called them losers for making videos on Youtube. I have repeatedly said that it's a great stepping stone to doing what you love. Those who are able to capitalize on it are not planning on being on Youtube forever. They understand that they need to expand beyond the service to be viable.

Don't talk to me about harder, or balls, you fucking child. I gave up what I loved a fucking decade ago to work 60 hours a week in a job I despised so that I could support my family, only to eventually have everything that I had done thrown in my face, and told it was worthless. I did everything for people that I care about, and you want to tell me I took the easy route? That the people who make videos on Youtube are to be admired for being hard working saints while those of us who chose to provide security for our families took the easy way out, and we're pretty stupid. You are an absolute child. You have nothing worth while to say.

This is fucking hilarious, but it's gone way off-topic. Enough is enough.

It may be hilarious, but as far as I can tell it's pretty on topic.

I agree.

Fuck [other people's priorities] they are clearly inferior to [my priorities]

People should stop worrying about [choices they've made] and worry about [choices I've made] like a real person

Thank you, that's a huge time saver!

To some extent, yes. But in other aspects, very no.

Take a look at the current set of playback controls. No-one with an ounce of common sense and five minutes education in Usability would think they're good. They've made it as hard as fucking possible to change the playback settings and increase the resolution. They don't save resolution settings, which would be a fucking simple task for them to do. The only possible conclusion I can draw is that they care less about people's user experience than they do about limiting their bandwidth costs.

Let's be clear, I didn't make this about me. It was made to be about me and I answered it. It should be clear to everyone that YouTube cannot be considered a full time career. Partly, because it is a free service. They are always going to be more interested in their own profits than that of their users, but since it's free they will take a much higher percentage than they would if they had actual partners who were paid to create content. It's basically a much more sophisticated version of public access tv. This has nothing to do with me. It's merely the reality of the situation. But again, there is a huge potential for using it as a launching point, even if it only leads users to
having their own site that they can monetize as they see fit. One more time, not about me. But if you intend to tell me that making YouTube videos is a more noble endeavor than taking work doing something other than what you love so that you can support yourself and your family then I am definitely going to call bullshit.

look everyone OANST says it's all about him

YouTube fails because of oanst

What the f*&^ have they done to OANST Comments?!

""What the f*&^ have they done to OANST Comments?!" Thread Just To Antagonise Youtube"

Well firstly, just because it's an unstable job that pays badly, doesn't mean it's not a job. People work hard to earn money from it, and then use that money to live their lives. Last time I checked, that's what a job is. Admittedly, the controlling corporation can snap their fingers and massively reduce the quality of their working conditions, but isn't that a risk inherent to everyone bar the self-employed? Also, isn't that exactly what we're complaining about in this thread?

Secondly, there are no sensible, self-sufficent YouTubers that intend on solely relying on that site indefinitely. While the occasional idiot might get lucky, the majority of consistently successful YouTube creators are fairly dull, business-minded people who also love making films/music/sketches/whatever. With these recent developments, plenty of them have started going public with their exit strategies. The kind of person you're criticising simply doesn't exist in any meaningful quantity, and even if they did, I sincerely doubt that the fuss kicked up in this thread is on their behalf. There are decent people with their livelihoods at stake, and I for one am concerned.

Because even though, as you say, YouTube is best used to springboard into a career in independent media, it is still required. Several popular YouTubers maintain the format of having half of their videos on YouTube, and using them to advertise the other half exlusively on their own, seperately monetised sites. And those YouTubers invariably make less money than ones who put all of their videos on YouTube. Because most web users are too lazy to use multiple sites, basically, but that's the reality. It's probably safer in terms of dependability, but the average internet video creator earns a pittance as it is. They can't hold down a job and produce videos of the quality required, in the quantities required, to stay popular. Unless they've got a hell of a lot of savings, YouTube ad revenue plus the occasional merchandise sale really is all they can rely on if they want to keep doing something they're good at.

Even those hypothetical artists who are determined to be reliant on YouTube for the shortest period of time possible will still be reliant on YouTube for a time. Because it is really really fucking difficult to get anywhere in online media without being on YouTube. Everyone knows that monopolies are bad, but a monopoly is what we've got, and even if Internet Guy has set up the Internet Guy Site, has an Internet Guy Facebook page, an Internet Guy clothing range and a chain of Internet Guy shops appearing across the globe, no-one will know who the fuck he is if he doesn't devote a significant period of time to exclusively producing YouTube content.

Yes, you're right, YouTube is a piss-poor way to make a living. Yes, you're right, anyone who thinks they'll be able to live off YouTube forever is an idiot. Yes, you're right, anyone who finds themselves making money off of YouTube should immediately look for ways to independently capitalise on their success.

But it is still a very-much-required step on the road to being a Self-Employed Internet Person, and whether that step takes a matter of months or a couple of years, there will still be a period when their career rests on the success of their YouTube page. And for those who are currently in that period, unhelpful changes to YouTube's format really fucking suck. Not to the degree of, I don't know, mass starvation or alien death rays, but enough to justify a poxy forum thread where people can bitch about it.

We seem to all be in agreement, but still fighting. I guess what bothered me in this thread, is the level of venom, and ferocity that this forum seems to throw at everything that doesn't cater to the user's view of how things should be done. I get really tired of reading it. But I'm also tired of being a dick right now. So, let's kiss and make up, you bunch of fags.

with all due respect or whatever, that shit works both ways.

not trying to further any argument, just saiyan.

Fair enough. I'm a dick.

...what were we arguing about, again?

Jews, probably.

You just CAN'T leave them alone, can you?!

Nope.

OK, we're all dicks and the Jews are ruining YouTube. Now, where's Joe when you need him...

we may as well guess what they're going to do next, seeing as they don't pay any attention to the people who keep the website useful aside from making their lives harder.

I'm guessing they're going to rebrand subscriptions into the google+ circle feature and past subscriptions won't be updated meaning you have to add all your past subscriptions into circles, and the user gets an email update for every person who adds him/her to a circle.
Worst part is the user has to confirm or deny every single person who adds them.

My guess is they’ll rebrand Youtube as Google+ Video and close the loop.

I'm surprised they haven't done so already

I kind of wouldn't mind if all the AAA gameplay videos got copyright claim'd into financial futility. It'd mean that only indie studios and cool devs who're smart enough not to give a shit would get covered.