So I don't care if he released stuff bad into the Earth, he promises eternal sleep and happyness after it all, sure you get bad stuff but evolution can't be helped

What has evolution got to do with a god that is a tyrant?

I have always said that even if I were to discover that the Christian god is real, I wouldn't worship it. I can't quite get past all the atrocious policies that he has.

If God had a Suggestion Box, I'd probably be Christian.

If God had a selection box, I'd probably be Christian.

Also, heaven sounds really tacky. Streets paved with gold? Fucking gross. It sounds like Jersey Shore with enough money to do everything they always wanted.

I donot question worshipping God much but I went throug ha stage where i felt like you do, even thinking of changing ot athieism but I couldn't, I believe in God now strongly although I disagree with some biblical text others are a great help!

That's nice.

This is how they dance in my vision of heaven.

i'd actually rather spend eternity in Limbo than Heaven, if its that tacky. Limbo sounds peaceful.

It also sounds incredibly Jamaican. Who wouldn't want to spend eternity with Prince Buster?

But one of the atrocious policies states that if you don't worship him, you burn in agony forever. Would you be willing to accept that fate rather than swallow your pride?

Isn't Heaven supposed to be whatever you want it to be? (In which case, a machoist's Heaven would be like Hell, and vice versa)

No. Not from the Christian point of view.

To Shaman: That was definitely one of the atrocious policies I was referring to. I guess I'll have to go to hell. If god is all powerful then he is going to know if I'm only keeping up appearances, anyway. In my heart I would hate him, and he would be able to tell. So yeah, hell for me.

The only faith I have is that if there is a higher power, it isn't like the Christian god.

Aint I a stinker?

Don't worry, I don't care if someone insults God or my faith. I know that although life generally sucks and that it's full of troubles and suffering, I can live knowing that I will have something better one day.

So you worship planets? Does this make Shaman a Deity.

This confuses me.

His current avatar.

Also the Greek/Roman Pantheon are by far the worst bunch of dicks Paganism has to offer, seriously if you want to be Pagan for whatever odd reason then choose the Egyptian, Wiccan or Norse Pantheon. At least they don't rape each other all the time.

No! Don't choose Wiccan!

Is dismembering and then tossing you out in the grass much better?

I believe in this with a lot of overbearing Catholic stuff scattered throughout.

As that biker dude from The Mist said: "I believe in god, too. I just don't think he's the vengeful asshole you do."

Good movie.

At least with Egyptian mythology you are only inches away from being a Christian.

Jesus and Horus: A Match Made in Heaven

Jesus: Born of a virgin.
Horus: Born of a virgin.

Jesus: Father is almighty God.
Horus: Father is almighty God.

Jesus: Born in a manger.
Horus: Born in a manger.

Jesus: Birth witnessed by shephards.
Horus: Birth witnessed by shephards

Jesus: The story stops at 12. Picks up at 30.
Horus: The story stops at 12. Picks up at 30.

Jesus: Baptized at 30.
Horus: Baptized at 30.

Jesus: Baptiser beheaded.
Horus: Baptiser beheaded.

Jesus: Taken from a desert by Satan to be tempted on a mountain.
Horus: Taken from a desert by Set to be tempted on a mountain.

Jesus: Twelve disciples.
Horus: Twelve disciples.

Jesus: Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored sight to the blind. He ordered the sea with a "Peace, be still" command.
Horus: Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored sight to the blind. He "stilled the sea by his power."

Jesus: Crucified.
Horus: Crucified.

Jesus: Rose from the dead three days later.
Horus: Rose from the dead three days later.

Jesus: Was met at the entrance of his tomb by three women.
Horus: Was met at the entrance of his tomb by three women.

Jesus: Transfigured on a mountain.
Horus: Transfigured on a mountain.

Jesus: To reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium.
Horus: To reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium.

The real difference? The Horus story happened long, long, long before the Jesus one.

I like how you know more about the mythology of my religion than me.

Dude, I was raised by the church.

I didn't mean to come across as hostile, if that's how it looks. Or whatever it looks like.

I tend to find that those sort of people fail both clauses in Postel's Law, not just about being liberal towards others, they also tend to be dirty little hypocrites who use their government cars to pick up drug-addled rent boys.

God isn't lovely. God isn't nice. God is right. By definition, anything he says or does is correct. But he never pretended that he has to be nice about it.

I lasted for all of about a minute in that video before getting bored. In any case, that guy seems to be confusing knowledge with belief.




EDIT: FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK WHY DOES THIS ALWAYS HAPPEN? Every time we have a religion discussion, I always end up defending religion despite being an atheist.

He does have an incredibly boring voice, but he also has some very good points in there.

i managed the whole thing, and the parts i picked up on i found intriguing, but i almost fell asleep i felt that relaxed.

In defense of that video: It's not at all an attack on theistic values, just a considered criticism of relgious bullies. A fact not immediately apparent if you don't watch til about three minutes in. He does a lot of other good philosophical videos and isn't at all like the other stupid attention whoring pseudo-celebrity atheists on youtube.

He also co-created this video which some of you may remember (And it damn well deserves to be posted again anyway, as it's one of the best youtube videos I have ever seen).