"If you mean to say without them knowing or with donating their bodies to science or something similar. Then no, I wouldn't have a problem with that."

No. I was getting at that if we had to experiment on them and they died as a result, then that's the price we'll have to pay to advance in Medical Science. And having the view of "But it's awful!" is a ridiculous view when it comes to the greater good that comes from it.

"I really can't see your reasoning when you describe Human rights interefering"

Why do you think Prisons are the way they are?

"If you've seen other cases like child molestation and murder, then you should know we aren't giving them so much as a "hello and welcome!""

Nor are they getting the punishments they deserve. Besides, punishing them is just a happy byproduct that comes from the castrating, the real point is not letting them have children, because bad breeds bad (whether you argue Naturally passed on through the 'bad gene' or Nutured through the ages).

From what i understand of it, and i may be wrong, but Hitler would've never gotten into power if it wasn't for the Wall Street crash. In fact, i'm sure i read somewhere that he was some kind of joke before the depression - meaning he only got to power through pure chance.

Erm... not quite seeing your point here. Hitler got to power due to his populist policies in a bad time for Germany - what with both the depression and the hang-overs from WWI. Either way, it doesn't really affect my point.

You say that as if they're not around or in power, there're some countries that are exactly like that - Africa, for example, with the mass culling of the Hudu's (or...some random Black race).

Damn straight, you're completely right there. And, whilst people are always going to be more sensitive about issues close to home (eg Pauline Hanson for those who know who she was), Jewish organisations have been at the forefront at the effort to improve things in Darfur and other similar atrocities.

Well, that's what happens when you kill God's son. Out of all the Son's you could've had killed - you had to go and choose God's.

One word, my Jewish friend, one word - Karma.

Ha bloody ha ha

hay weren't you some guy on furcadia that wanted to commission porn from me or something, last year?


HELLO EVERYONE THIS GUY IS A FURRY IN CASE YOU HADN'T FIGURED IT OUT

What are you on about?

"Erm... not quite seeing your point here. Hitler got to power due to his populist policies in a bad time for Germany - what with both the depression and the hang-overs from WWI. Either way, it doesn't really affect my point."

No, i was meaning the chances of that happening again, as in people getting so desperate they'd turn to extremists with such views, is very low.

"hay weren't you some guy on furcadia that wanted to commission porn from me or something, last year?


HELLO EVERYONE THIS GUY IS A FURRY IN CASE YOU HADN'T FIGURED IT OUT"

The next time you try to be funny, you might want to say something that's actually funny.

Hey hey hey! No idiots in my topic! Shoo! Shoo!

Somehow I think this guy is serious. In which case - no, no I'm not. But clearly this is a case of pot being a furry himself, if you're hanging out in furcadia to get propositioned.

Jacob - as I've stated previously, perhaps I'm just a tad hypersensitive but we have seen the odd far-right polititians have significant of success in the last few years and I don't think it's too far-fetched for one of them to get into power and play havoc.

Example: In the last federal election in Australia, the Liberal (ie conservative) party got (rather unexpectedly) a majority in both houses of parliament, which hasn't happened since the 70's. They've used this to push through a huge amount of controvertial legislation without any discussion or negotiation, which they didn't mention during the election and much of which the people who voted for them don't support. So it is possible in politics for a party/individual to gain power and then misuse it against the people who put them there.

Surely one could argue such people only get in because people are desperate for change? In England we have a party called the BNP, and they're steadily getting more and more votes because of the debacle that is Immigration.

So, say for instance they did get in, you can guarantee they'd abuse their power, 'cos even they themselves said 'We only want white immigrants'.

Whereas if i got in, and people supporting my beliefs, the power wouldn't be abused because most of the Right Wingness is directed at people who don't deserve to live with civilisation.

Keep the Liberals in who're too pro Human Rights, and you're guaranteed to see a steady increase in FAR Right Wing support, who're going to do worse things than anything i propose.

Maybe it is wrong to say this. But what are you guys and gurls worried about O_0. You are all pass recommended age attacks right? Plus the age these attackers kipnapping are getting younger and younger. Sickly but the most recently was 3. Very disturbing.

This guy was let out jail five years ago, and commited the crime again doing babsitting :eek:

It's because we give somewhat of a shit as to what happens to those children. Maybe not Jacob, but a lot of us do.

"Maybe not Jacob, but a lot of us do."

Yet, bizarrely, i'm the one who's suggesting better methods of deterrent, whereas the others are all "Oh no, you can't do THAT! They're people too!"

...whilst they're at the local creché, speed-dating.

"Take off your clothes, kiddie, and touch yer toes!"

...to quote Father.

*Cough*

No, your overly simplistic view of society and politics is getting the better of you again. What you've suggested isn't a good form of deterrent/justice, but it is a bloody good form of revenge. Many people mistake the two.

Where have you been all my life?

Thankyou :fuzconf:

Eh, I'd rather have them in politics than in me.
Just kidding, I'd love for them to be in me.
/I have been in you...sha la la, you have been in me too, and I've been in and out of you(in and out of you)...

"What you've suggested isn't a good form of deterrent/justice, but it is a bloody good form of revenge."

Are you implying that with such a policy in place, more people would commit abhorrent acts against their fellow man?

Am I implying that such a policy is morally wrong and is about satisfying people's own lust for blood, while generating little in the way of an actual 'deterrent'.

Oh, I guarantee it.

"Am I implying that such a policy is morally wrong"

You could argue that locking people away with murderers/child molesters/rapists in violent prisons is wrong, morally, too, i s'pose.

"satisfying people's own lust for blood"

Blood, sir! O-ho no! If you want blood i suggest you enquire about my views on Roman-esque Gladitorial fights in the modern era!

"while generating little in the way of an actual 'deterrent'."

Elaborate, please, Poppet!

Gah! I was reluctant to even engage in this thread such is your consistent idiocy.

-Yes, OBVIOUSLY it is morally wrong to put such offenders in "violent" prisons. What kind of idiot would advocate a violent prison? Why not just torture the bastards and be done with it? (That's also wrong, just so you know). You're pathetic.

-Elaboration: America has the death penalty and yet people still commit murder, etc. And then some. At the end of the day, people who have such impulses will act upon them regardless. A hypothetical potential future punishment would have very little effect. OBVIOUSLY. Haven’t you ever been warned about the consequences if you do something bad, only for you to do it, get punished, then regret ever doing it in the first place? It’s basic human nature, even if the example is of course a somewhat lesser extreme.

I just think that these days, criminals are treated with too much leniency.

Like, even murderers, rapists and paedophiles can walk out of prison having done their GCSE's or A-Levels.

I just think that after somebody has committed such violent crime, they shouldn't be treated as equals.

And nobody is suggesting they should be.

"Gah! I was reluctant to even engage in this thread such is your consistent idiocy."

Ugh, can't you act just a tiny bit mature and not resort to pathetic insults. Okay, you disagree with me, but so far you've given the typical Hippy argument of "Oh, we can't do that...'cos they're people too!" and not once given an alternative.

"America has the death penalty and yet people still commit murder, etc."

I've explained my theory on that and also refered to Dubai, which has a low crime rate mainly due to how it deals with criminals. America's a crap example anyway, it's c*ntf*cked in royal proportion.

Can we just begin to way up the pros and cons, too, going on the basis that this could actually happen (i know it probably won't, due to Human Rights (GRRRR-ARRRG)). 'cos so far i don't see any major cons and nobody has brought any up, all hiding behind the same argument that has led to the steady corroding of the country.

"It’s basic human nature"

Before i respond i want to clear something up - are you saying that once people have done crimes and been punished for them, they feel bad afterwards?

You're quite a good debater, just stop being such a c*ntmunch and try and put your point across without the insults, they're getting tedious.

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I agree, I don't like insults in 'debates' either. Unless they're tongue-in-cheek OR the person is SO stupid. You're the latter. It is SO tiresome, you would not believe. You just don't listen. I have come up with decent, right points and you fail to counterpoint them, but instead say 'I have seen no one come up with a decent con...' I just want to shake you like Louise Woodward.

The fact of the matter is what you're suggesting won't work. Blatantly. And if you can't see that, too bad.

Secondly, even if it did work I still wouldn't advocate it. You're just reciting hip right wing politics. Give it 10 years and if you still believe the trash you spout I would be amazed. Heck, I'd even owe you a coke.

Your world-view is SO simplistic and flawed, it’s like discussing with typical teeny-bop politicks talk. Funny that. It is not worth my time or effort discussing this any further. You’ve displayed your naivety time and time again, which, tied in with your obvious ego, is mildly infuriating. I take my leave. Discussing anything of any merit with Jacob is a waste of ANYBODY’S time and I’d suggest they’d just ignore him. I won’t be entering this thread again.

Saying that, I like his hat.

And so, Jacob got owned. The end. :D

Sorry, I am dry with productive things to say right now.

"No, your overly simplistic view of society and politics is getting the better of you again. What you've suggested isn't a good form of deterrent/justice, but it is a bloody good form of revenge. Many people mistake the two."

"Am I implying that such a policy is morally wrong and is about satisfying people's own lust for blood, while generating little in the way of an actual 'deterrent'.

Oh, I guarantee it."

"Gah! I was reluctant to even engage in this thread such is your consistent idiocy.

-Yes, OBVIOUSLY it is morally wrong to put such offenders in "violent" prisons. What kind of idiot would advocate a violent prison? Why not just torture the bastards and be done with it? (That's also wrong, just so you know). You're pathetic.

-Elaboration: America has the death penalty and yet people still commit murder, etc. And then some. At the end of the day, people who have such impulses will act upon them regardless. A hypothetical potential future punishment would have very little effect. OBVIOUSLY. Haven’t you ever been warned about the consequences if you do something bad, only for you to do it, get punished, then regret ever doing it in the first place? It’s basic human nature, even if the example is of course a somewhat lesser extreme."

"I have come up with decent, right points and you fail to counterpoint them"

...but, i did counterpoint your points. All of them.

"I just want to shake you like Louise Woodward"

Hee-Hee!

"Your world-view is SO simplistic and flawed"

I'll admit, i don't really take the criminals feelings into consideration and the like, but still...they did the crime...yadda-yadda...*yawn*

"Saying that, I like his hat."

Hugo Boss rock.

You wanna know the real rub of capitol punishment? The states in America that have it have a higher rate of violent crime. Thats a fact, jack. Talk about a powerful deterrent. :fuzconf:

"You wanna know the real rub of capitol punishment? The states in America that have it have a higher rate of violent crime. Thats a fact, jack. Talk about a powerful deterrent."

...and what of Dubai?

No one gives a shit about Dubai. They are a bleak little country in the middle of the desert. That hardly concerns anything which we are discussing which takes place in first world. It's stupid by nature to try and put up an argument with a country like that. They are insignificant to the point.

"No one gives a shit about Dubai. They are a bleak little country in the middle of the desert. That hardly concerns anything which we are discussing which takes place in first world. It's stupid by nature to try and put up an argument with a country like that. They are insignificant to the point."

Well, when you all say "HARSH PUNISHMENTS DON'T WORK!! LOOK AT AMERICA!" i think i'm well within my right to point out a country that does have harsh punishments that do work.

Besides, if Dubai is on one extreme that shouldn't be taken note of, America is the other extreme - we all know it's a f*ck-up of a country that should be ignored until it fades away.

Point being - such punishment is a necessary evil.

Not necessary, just satisfying.