Well, MGS4 wasn't made for the fans, it was just made for the Big Boss/Naked Snake fans. which is bullshit. MGS2 was the best in the series, and yet, they almost just start pissing on it and made a huge fucking retcon. The worst thing I found, was this interview, included in the MGS4 Special Edition package, where Kojima said he regrets having made MGS2 that way. That just broke my confidence on the games industry, when a brilliant idea is completely destroyed and the creator have to regret making it.

What?

Who the fuck knows? I just roll with the nonsense now.

There's a big fandom for Big Boss/Naked Snake because, in some twisted way, he's cool and sweet in MGS3, very unlike Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. MGS3 introduced new fans to the franchise and most of them are like this.

MGS4 was a gigantic overrought melodramatic love letter to everything metal gear. Nothing you say makes the any of any of the any sense.

What I mean is that, there are mainly two types of MGS fans, those who adore everything Kojima makes BUT hate MGS2 and those who see that after MGS3, Kojima just do fan service for the other type of fans.

http://thesnakesoup.org/?section=articles&content=mgfan

http://thesnakesoup.org/?section=articles&content=mgs2

I feel insulted by the quiz results. Bullshit. And I love all MG and MGS games, including MGS2.

What did you got?

Metal Gear Solid 3 is clearly the best game in the franchise by a large margain. Go be pathetic elsewhere.

That I'm some sort of Moderate Fan or, more offensive, casual fan. Phew.

Ok, so tell me how Naked Snake is anything like Big Boss in MG and MG2?

Tell me why Metal Gear Solid is basically a rehash of MG and MG2 with higher production values

OH

MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE

Kojima doesn't give a shit.

Really if anything you're misblaming. If you want to blame one game in the series for dramatically changing everything, that game is called Metal Gear Solid.

PS: Metal Gear Solid 2 is my second favourite game in the series. Metal Gear Solid 3 is just a lot lot more fun.

Okay, now, I haven’t played an MGS game beyond the first five minutes of MGS2, but—bear with me for a second—didn’t a big part of the MGS series’ backstory focus on how Big Boss came to be?

Also that.

I'm seriously starting to see the similarities between Sonic and MGS community.

Thank you. I need to make this type of questions to see if you're a fanboy or not. Sorry, but the gamer in me need to know. MGS tried to recreate MG and MG2 to a certain extend. MGS2 tried to recreate MGS completely. The thing here is just like you said, Kojima didn't give a shit, but after MGS3 he just completelt lost it. I'm not saying MGS3 is bad, by any means, is a fucking great game, but the story isn't the best in the series.

MGS series is about the rise and fall of a genius battlefield soldier who goes mad at the world corruption. Which means you're right. The thing is, they already made three games where the protagonist is Big Boss and we have yet to see the real madman. We haven't seen the moment where he clicked and reached the madness over the world. Right now, they're just milking the series. the only game that has some kind of believing in Big Boss madness is Peace Walker, and even for that, it's just mere minutes before the game's ending.

I still don't understand why MGS4 is fanservice for MGS3 fans.

Stuff like Vamp and Raiden reappearing, the homoerotic subtext taken to absurd levels, the continuation of themes started in MGS2 etc etc point more at it being fanservice for MGS2 fans if anything.

I do remember reading that Kojima pretty much lost interest by Metal Gear Solid 2, which is why MGS3 is basically a fun James Bond parody with minimal connection to the other games that wasn't retconned in by 4, and MGS4 is a huge collection of Hollywood cliches patched together with an increasingly oblique narrative about technical jargon and information control.

You can sort of see Kojima losing his shit with the miniboss squads in the series. MGS1 had really good well rounded sympathetic villains who you felt genuinely interested in and sorry for. MGS2's minibosses were more of a stylistic parody of Foxhound. Fortune was a deeply stuipid character, and Vamp and Fatman were just ridiculous over the top monsters. Then you get to MGS3 where none of the Cobras but Sorrow and The Boss have anything approaching a backstory and finally MGS4 with that trumped up ridiculous Beauty and the Beast unit which stretched the concept to its logical conclusion with absurd ten minute asides after the battle to moon over the pointless loss of life. It's ridiculous.

In summary, Metal Gear Solid 4 is fanservice for Metal Gear Solid fans. It has all the good, bad and stupid of the series up to fifteen. I liked it. Hell, I've only seen a Let's Play of it and that was enough to get the full experience.

I also haven't played any of the games set between Metal Gear Solid 3 and Metal Gear, by the way. The poignant end of 3 is more than enough to accept what happened to Big Boss between those two points. I think that expanding on the events takes away from the character.

Big Boss died in MG2:SS. But he's alive and smoking Cuban cigars with his "son" on the end of MGS4. Even for Kojima, that's fucked up. The only Boss that really shines on MGS2 is Solidus. He has right motives but the wrong implementations. After Rising, I just hope they make games like the AC!D story arc, where it has nothing to do with the canon saga, apart from characters and weapons.

If it’s worth anything, Kojima never wanted that as the ending. He was content to leave the ending where Snake kills himself.

Shut up, make a MGS thread already.

I know, which would be a good ending for both Snake and the saga itself. But then he got feedback from the "fans". Also, death threats and what not.

The developers he was working alongside encouraged him to change it actually, or so I heard.

*error post*

Yes, they did, because fans pressured them to not kill him, so Kojima didn't. Whatever, my interest in MGS has becoming less and less prominent and I just try to enjoy the gameplay in it, which usually is good.

Also, Okami HD is going to be released.

how did I not know this?



Goddamn. I played the PS2 version again recently and I fell in love with the visuals even more than the last time I played it. I really think playing it in HD is enough to justify buying it again.

Whoa! HD remakes just keep getting better and better! I adore Okami; It's artstyle is probably the best I've seen in a Video Game. I really wish they released a new Okami game sometime in the future.

Also it's a Sony exclusive? That sucks. I was hoping it would come out for Wii U or 3DS.

Ahhhh

AAAAHHHHH

Why don’t I own a PS3

They did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%8Ckamiden

No I mean a third game - Sorry, I should of said I already knew about Okamiden. Anyway, Maybe a new Okami game like Okamiden could be on the 3DS? I could see that working very nicely.

I am however really just hoping for a new Okami game like the first one.