I thought they were designed to be in the game, but were cut for time and incorporated as backstory.

Regardless of their original involvement in the first draft, their extinction is canon and it helped to drive the point home. An entire race wiped out because Khanzumers ate them to death. That shit is hardcore.

Not really. We've done that several times.

But we don't necessarily hold it in our minds as we tuck into our pork pies.

I do.

Then you needn't play Oddworld any longer.

I'd like to see a living Meech, even if it's just a flashback or a vision or grainy old wildlife footage.

Never in game but I agree, a flash back would be nawsowm.

I like the mystery behind them, it hammers home the whole "they're completely gone now forever" thing.

Will there be dark evil meeches in oddworld 2.5D ???

Yes. Sorry to spoil the whole Quintology, but it turns out they're the Khanzumerz.

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They're made of hate, and grown around a core of medical waste.

To be honest 2.5D is getting ancient now. We need 2.75D!

Are you boring? I guess you do...

I think that Meeches in AO are incredibly good idea - for flashback definitely. We deserve to look forward for extinct species.

Meeches should not be in the remake in any way shape or form apart from the poster a the start. It'd change the game waaay to much. They should save them for a later game...but only a few. They are extinct after all.

Oh and this may sound a bit stupid but was there any reason why we never saw a Meech temple similar to the Scrab or Paramite temple??? I know Meeches are extinct an all but I just thought thier might be a temple somewhere....

As far as we know, Meeches were never worshipped as spiritual creatures.

This is what MTV has to say about "Abe HD". The Oddworld franchise is "not a little bit entertaining" according to MTV, which is perhaps a little bit hypocritical coming from one of the least entertaining music channels around (if you can call them a "music channel").

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2011/...roved-physics/

Adam Rosenberg can kiss my ass.

i could imagine that there is small meech population left in rupture farm´s stockyards.

I think there were a supposed black sheep tribe of the Mudokons who worshipped Meeches but they died along with them, or sooner, most likely. Other Muds deny this. :P

Also, Adam obviously doesn't proofread his work or get it proofread, because it sounds like he's praising the game and then putting it down right after. The last sentence of his article doesn't make the least bit of sense to me. So I'm inclined not to listen to him.

If there were Meeches in the stock yards...pretty sure they'd have been found, that's like a Playstation Warehouse not knowing they got a hundred PS1s in some corner.

I think the last bit is a positive statement, like 'You haven't half grown'. He's saying they're not a little bit entertaining, they're a big bit entertaining. That's how it comes across to me, anyway.

I'd like to see some of the story elements from the old plans reinstated. Like the stitches only being removed when he escaped from RuptureFarms, and the growing ponytail in AE showing his spiritual development.

I think the Mudoncho tribe is more of a Nod than a Gorman Disenza, but I am certain there were Mudokon tribes that worshipped Meeches.

*MM, weren't his stitches never removed lest he forget?

In my opinion, Abe's ability to speak through stitches is a poor story element. If Rupture Farms is supposed to be the big bad meat processing plant on Oddworld, they should be able to at least stitch mudokons' lips properly. And don't even get me started on his ability to whistle/chant like a native mudokon before coming to the native lands when he grew up in an industrial facility where he couldn't learn any of these skills.

yeah I remember hearing they were worshipped as well. The whole 'Black sheep tribe' thingy might explain why there wasn't a Meech tribe present in any of the games. Plus I guess thats kinda backed by the fact that Shrykull dosent actually include any Meech parts (it shows that thier not that important). Hmmm. I wonder if theres another god thats like half Meech ,half something else?? dunno what it'd be though ... Maybe Kinto??? I mean Kinto's lack legs and have big arms, and Meechs have nice legs and only smidgy arms. Im pretty sure that there's a good combo to be made there.

Speaking of Kinto's I would actually like to see them in a future game as well. Just though i'd add that.

To be fair Pac-Maniac, there is sufficient evidence to suggest that just because Rupture Farms is big, doesn't mean it's a big bad factory. They have crap guards who sleep at every opportunity, and the stitching of the lips was botched...also we don't know much about Abe's back story other than that he was born and grew up in RF. Besides, it'd be a fucking boring as game if he couldn't chant because he can't shoot and he can't punch.

I don't think Kintos would really be revered as sacred animals considering they were a sentient race of mountain dwellers. I guess what I'm saying is that they would be doing the worshipping, not being worshipped.

His lips were stitched by Sam when he was a baby because he cried too much. These naturally have worn out over the years allowing him to talk.

You don't know that other muds can't whistle.

When you think about it, it's kind of weird that a large industrial farm/meat factory would even let a species go extinct. It's a grabbing moral in the story, yes, but if Molluck had any sense of business he would have kept a few Meeches back for breeding.

It's like every farmer on the planet is going to stop breeding cows and in a year we'll all go; ah bummer no more steaks, cows are extinct. It doesn't make sense.

And they can as well, in AO if you whistle they reply.

EDIT: @ Havoc - I agree, but Molluck was probably interested in massive short term profits, perhaps he is not the amazing Executive we perceived.

You must remember, he is supposed to actually be quite low on the corperate ladder; keeping a few back and letting them go extinct would have the same short term outcome for him, so he goes for the easier option.

Greed probably took over him, he was blinded by it. Knowing the Meeches were giving him good sales, he continued without thinking of the long-term consequences. A similar thing may have happened if the Mudokon Pops idea went into action, he might have killed too many Mudokons, thus severely reducing his worker count, meaning he would have to find more employees.

OH YEAH this sounds too good to be true but lorne lanning said it so must be true :fuzgrin::fuzgrin:

Don't forget the pathological hatred of nature shared by all Glukkons - conservation sure as hell isn't on their to-do list.

But massive profit occurs seven times. On a list of eight.

Abe’s ability to chant was considered as something to be learnt partway through the game, just as his stitches would have been removed after his escape, allowing hm to speak for the first time. It was decided that the game would be more appealing if he could GameSpeak and possess from the get-go.

The "black sheep tribe" is the one I mentioned, Mudoncho. It's entirely fanon.

Scrabs and Paramites are sentient, too, else how would they know Abe was there to chase? But who says they're sapient? The only clue to their classification we have is that they were used as the link to the Wildlife section of the old Oddworld.com.

And Sam is held captive by the Vykkers. And Abe was hatched from an egg in RuptureFarms 1029. All of these are true.

It's about as absurd as loggers destroying ever-scarcer rainforest at an increasing rate, or farmers building irrigation systems that drains their entire source of water. Absurd, yes; stupid, yes; happens in our reality, yes.

Oh, so he's the only mudokon with stitched lips? That explains...

It does, but that in turn doesn't explain why every Mudokon logo has stitched lips: