And again they could have been called Chicken McNuggets. Just change the correct bytes and it'll still change the pitch. Naming the bytes just makes them easier to find, it doesn't "add" any functionality but eases use.

+1

I decided to make a video of the next scene, I made it in under a day but I never got around to filming it... xP

nice :D plus rep+

edit:i really cant wait for your lvl to be released :D

Nice. Really well done there. :) +rep

How many screens will there be in total, once the variation has finished?

Thanks. I'm thinking of stopping once the editor is capable of editing Exoddus because that's what I really ant to utilize. Oddysee is pretty limited to what sort of challenges you can create. But Exoddus has all sorts of things like farts, fleeches, flying sligs, minecars... So... yeah... xP

I'm not sure, I've been very busy lately and havn't been able to work on it much so things are pretty much standstill for now...

Please don't stop with the Oddysee variation! I prefer Oddysee to Exoddus, so I love to see the Oddysee ones. You've done great work so far! Just keep it up. Thank you. :)

Thing is, I like Exoddus alot more than Oddysee. I still love Oddysee but there is just so much more to Exoddus. Only if there were a way to remove the quicksave feature though... xD

Then i will run oddworld inside vmware.

I prefer Oddysee because it has a better feel to it when you're playing. I prefer the more gloomy nature of Oddysee, while I think that Exoddus is a bit too slapstick. I still like Exoddus though.

So, I personally would be very disappointed if you were to stop your Oddysee variation, especially as you've been working so hard on it. :)

Well, I havn't really worked that hard on it but I at least did put some effort into it all together. But I just feel I can do much more with exoddus! :D

But surely that isn't a reason to stop your Oddysee variation, which looks absolutely brilliant and I've been looking forward to it for ages. :)

Idea - Continue to make the Oddysee one, and when the means come out to make fully new levels in Exoddus, make that one the sequel (I mean when we finally crack the .cam files).

I also love BlackVenom's Oddysee hack; keep it up!

If by 'we' you mean me then its never going to happen ;) Perhaps with my uber dodgy API redirection dll it might though. But I have zero free time lately for working on things so thats far far away :|

Well, possibly... but Ideas are already running short... And also, what you said about oddysee, How it has a gloomy nature. I'm sure something like that can be pulled off in Exoddus... xD

I have my ways too, don't worry...and I am a very patient person too ;)

I guess by "we" I just mean anyone who even attempts it.

Well, a full Exoddus editor doesn't seem hugely likely at the moment, so you might as well continue with your Oddysee variation, until/if a full Exoddus editor becomes available. :)

And also, there are many combinations of levels that you could do using the Oddysee editor. I made a variation, and I never really ran out of ideas because there are so many different things that you can do that haven't been done yet. Experiment! ;)

I haven't been here the whole time, so I've probably missed a lot, but why exactly is it so hard to recompress the AE levels? If you can extract them, couldn't you just use some kind of bogus compression that does nothing but repeatedly encode it as uncompressed blocks or something to that effect?

I believe the cams are the issue.

The cam file header?


MIP01C01.CAM :

Start:
l\......Bitse..........8.........K...@V.......O.....y1.8


Middle:
S.C.,...8..G.<....}7.b....C...]4.5.J..L..n......i.....K)


Stop:
K...#...b...c.......b...9.......a...m.......!....................End!....

The problem is re-compressing AE cam files. The only real workaround is to use a DLL proxy with custom code to work around the issue which is an extremely dodgy hack that will likely only work with certain versions of the game.

So it would intercept the function that does the cam loading and check if its an AO cam and then manually copy into the psx emu vram.. which is a lot harder than it sounds :)

Edit: Btw NovaMan that isn't a cam header, the cam header is just another file chunk which looks like this:

Chunk size - 4 bytes
Ref count - 4 bytes
Type - 4 bytes (Bits, Anim, Palt .. whatever else)
Resource Id - 4 bytes

So the header not always begins (top). And not always ends (bottom).

Hm... I dunno if you got what I meant.
I don't know the details of Oddworld compression, obviously.

But in Lemmings, there's a code which means the data following it is just raw, uncompressed data. One guide suggests, that with disk space not being an issue these days, a user could just repeatedly put that code followed by the entire data uncompressed. Why couldn't something along these lines be done with AE?

So, for these reasons, BlackVenom should just continue with his Oddysee variation! :)

gah.... whyyyyyyy!? xD

hurry up paul and figure out how to get this editor to co-operate with exoddus before I am actually left with no choice but to continue this aimless project! xD

I don't use pauls editor because of that + it is not 100% user friendly. The workflow is too slow when using it. Don't think you do everything within a day with that. You can on the other side use (notepad) for writing what you want to happen in the game, before you use pauls editor. But that is just another story.

Firstly, don't speak to Paul like that! :)

Secondly, it is not an aimless project. Lots of us will play on it and we will enjoy it, because your Oddysee variation looks so damn good! I've been looking forward to playing it, along with loads of others, for ages. You giving up on it would be like the Soviets giving up on attacking the Nazis when they reached Berlin.

Honestly, finish it, upload it here and I swear you will get good feedback. :)

If Black Venom releases his game now. It will be like shit, because it has no greeters, glukkons, fleeches and slurgs!!! and same goes for exoddus music or custom music. And don't forget glukkon talk voice lockers!!!

I'm not saying he should release it now. I think he ought to finish it, then upload it, and then wait for the Exoddus editor (if it comes).

And there are far far more things he can do with the Oddysee objects. A lot of people were impressed by his videos of the variation as well.

Also, in that post you are implying that Oddysee is 'like shit' compared to Exoddus, when it certainly isn't 'shit'. It's better than Exoddus if anything, in my opinion (please don't continue and start an argument about which is better; we'd go on forever).

Just please, BlackVenom, make the Oddysee variation. You can't say there is nothing more you can do, because there definitely is. Be creative. :)

I will wait forever till i die. If not, then i can use pauls editor again, and give Paul some thanks and reputation for a better future.

What will BlackVenom say then?
Not talking about quicksave and quickload.

It's my feeling that feels wrong and evil???
The future should never jump in and make me angry and uncontrollable!
I am a human, not a animal or alien.

Look, I didn't mean to be rude or anything, I just think it's pointless that BlackVenom is thinking of stopping his current variation (that looks really really good so far), purely because there is a tiny chance that he will be able to edit the Exoddus levels. It's like, us completely destroying all of our power plants/sources, then waiting for Nuclear Fusion power to miraculously come along and save us. BlackVenom might as well finish off what he has made so far while he waits for something better. And besides, Paul said it is pretty much impossible to change the CAMs in Exoddus, so BlackVenom would be waiting (effectively) for an unlikely miracle, if he decides to do so.

Sorry to go off on a rant there, I just really really want to play the amazing level that BlackVenom could easily make! :)

It's because i got a infraction from Splat.

If BlackVenom stops his oddysee variation. He will send it to abe's exoddus by using a not implemented feature in pauls editor.

What's the point with IDA PRO?

Not without greeters and glukkons!!!

Well, it doesn't matter anyway, because making Exoddus levels is impossible, so BlackVenom will be forced to finish the Oddysee one. And I'm not going to rest until I play that variation! :)

I will test BlackVenom's game if it is any good without greeters and glukkons.

Look, The only reason why I don't want to continue it is because it's only a test series of maps, to get a feel for the editor. Nothing serious was to be made from these maps I have currently made.

And my opinion for why I'd prefer exoddus is because I can add more challenges like what novaman said. Greeters, Flying sligs, Slam doors and much much more. If I could remove the quicksave I would and just leave the checkpoints in there. It's just abe's oddysee is actually quite limited to the amount of challenges you can throw at the player. at most it's just sligs, slogs, mines. Not too much of a variety in my opinion.

Also, could we stop with the arguments? There's no reason we should be fighting over why I should or shouldn't continue my maps. In the end it's me that makes the choice that changes that fact and there's not much that opinions can do could change that.

What would happen if i first take the invisible checkpoint. Then rescue some mudokons in random secret rooms. Then die before next invisible checkpoint. I will get angry if so happens!!!
I prefer quicksave in this case.

Its just a struct, as I mentioned in previous post..

Nope the game code loads compressed cams, whats done it done it can't be changed unless you use a proxy DLL as I already said which would unprotect the code section in memory and overwrite it (EXTREMELY dangerous thing to do).

No free time so looking at months if ever :(

Exactly how is the workflow too slow? The only thing that takes time AFAIK is moving objects into teh correct screen to load in.

What does this mean "point of IDA PRO" don't understand.

April?

You said earlier that it is hard to move collisions. and more things slows the workflow.

You know. There is too many noobs out here = who is going to learn IDA PRO?
The IDA PRO tutorial movies is not fun for me to see!
I am more a gamer instead!
I will not learn IDA PRO! because it is too hard to properly use!

Someone should inject knowledge to my brain :fuzgrin:
Or else i will still be a regular noob!

NovaMan, you're being an idot. Stop posting.

Now, back to this editor...

No!!!

Yes and i must always say something everyday!