Do you think an ISP pay thousands (or millions more realistically) of people to look at what you've been up to on the internet. No, they'll only bother checking if it turns out you've been downloading pirated stuff.

Monitoring for illegal torrents or not they have perfect access to this information anyway.

Well what do you expect them to do if they find out you've been using their internet service to do illegal things that they can be charged for?

No I don't think this at all, but the fact remains they still have access to people's personal data, something I don't think they should have.

"They have access to this information anyway" doesn't invalidate my argument and honestly just makes things sound even worse.

This just points to a deeper problem: accountability. I don't think it's right that ISP companies can be charged for the abuse of their legitimate services by customers.

How can ISPs not have access to your internet usage? Everything passses through them anyway.

I want to connect to this website.

"Which website?"

Why would I tell you that?

i dont trust wikileaks it's just not my cup of tea

I still can't see how your ISP using an automated script to search your downloads for illegal torrents could at all be an invasion of privacy.

Just dont tell them your secrets.


Its not that the ISPs have access to all that, its that with ACTA they would be forced to comply to governments wanting access to it, invading privacy. I don't give a flying fuck whether or not you care about your own fucking rights, but I care about mine, so don't fuck it up for me by supporting it.

There's having information pass through them, and then there's them actively analysing your data. If you can't see the difference here then I think this argument is over.

They've leaked again. The Vatican, this time.. Those creepy pederast shits deserve everything that's coming to them. So why isn't anything coming to them?

It's appalling that the Vatican won't allow a full scale inquisition into this, it blemishes our religion on a whole. Any priest found of molestation needs to take a dunk in a chemical shed.

Never liked Benedict.

Same, I liked John Paul, he wasn't so scary.

It's always been blemished, but don't let that get you down. The real problem is and has always been the church itself, which is corrupt through and through and always has been, is a force for net ill in the world and exerts the most insidious mind-control over its people that I've ever seen through horrific mental conditioning. I know atheists who, decades after leaving, still wake up in cold sweat in the night due to that psychological damage. Grown men and women!

You need to excise yourself of it. Cut it out like the tumour it is and never look back. The church is a monstrous edifice that cares nothing for its people, would rather see them abused physically and mentally in secret than see its reputation tarnished (ha!). Worst of all, the very people it harms the most, ie Catholics, are the ones it has trained to leap to its defence, like some sort of Stockholm Syndrome.

The world is fortunate to have Ratzinger as Pope, for he is the man best qualified to bring that hateful institution down for good.

Well I think that's an over reaction but I think I can see were you are coming from. The church has been corrupt since post Roman times, but the individual churches and diocese are very much true to the original goodness of Roman Catholicism. If I decide to go to church I go to worship God and to be with a community of people who believe in the same way as I do, my allegiance to the Pope, the Bishops and the laws set down by these people rarely exceed acknowledgement.

:monster:

I think that this falls neatly in line with the original goodness of Roman Catholicism. Maybe even gooder.

That's right. I said gooder.

Anyway, besides from the whole RC thing can anyone actually get onto leaks atm? I haven't been able to access the site in weeks.

EDIT: Never mind, it's working now... 8|

Wait, when did anyone bring Scientology into this?

Christianity started out as a cult, don't you know. And guess which denomination claims to be the original?

Christianity was a cult created by the son of God with success untold to any other religion on this planet. It became a full scale religion in less than 40 years but then, this is all very much off topic.

I think money has more worshipers than what Jesus does, just say'n.

Okay lets do this

As were hundreds others.
Islam.
Nope! Three hundred.
So why say it?

No just the abrahamics, most other religions have no sons of gods, if there are such as the Roman gods, these come from conception.

Has a smaller population of worshippers than Christianity hence my comment...also Islamic worshippers are converting by the droves because of Sharia law.

Nope 40. By the time revelations was written, Christianity had expanded from Israel and Palestine to Rome and Thessalonia, in just another forty it spreads like wildfire through the entire Roman empires and towards Ireland.

It is an obligation for me to defend my faith.

Now then...wikileaks, I did actually try to get back on topic in my previous post but that doesn't suit everyone.

These are important times for the internets. The internets are in danger of being completely locked down by governments. So the internets, once again, is going to arms. That's right people, we're fighting a war for the internet right now (and that's not even exaggerated, we lose this war and we will lose the internet as we know it). So take a look at your monitor, see that internet you hold so dear and ask yourself on who's side you are. To those who want to keep the internet open for everyone I say; grab your guns, boot up your shooters and train for some epic digital warfare because this shit is going down right now, wether you like it or not. So stand up and fucking fight for your rights! HOO-HAAA!!!

Ohhh the bullshit.

Like the conception of an Abrahamic God then?

I was also talking about the thousands of cults that have sprung up in Europe, Asia, Africa and America for the last thousand or so years with many cult leaders calling themselves surprise surprise 'The son of God'. It's a pretty heavy authority.

Oh hey like you mean pagans and suchlike were converting by the droves because of fear of being burnt or tortured?

It wasn't a religion until it was officially recognized by Constantine.

Against what? Corrections?

The quote thing...I'm sorry I cba so a written sentiment will have to suffice my good friend.

It was a religion officially recognized by the worshippers and some of the state rulers but do you mean international recogonization? And I didn't mean I was protecting my religion against you bud. And what do you mean by the conception of an abrahamic God? Christianity is the only Ab. religion that sees Jesus as the son of God and he was created by mortals but bestowed the power of God by the almighty himself...Hmm Hercules?

Anywho, about the interwebs thing. You go prepare Havoc, we're all behind you.

Also everything that WoF said.

you really think that's happening right now?

Course it is, the men in that picture were massacred by global networking sites. R.I.P

@Nate - Tl;dr, hahahahha!

You can't beat that one, Nate.

Which one? The video, or Scrabtrapman?

For the record, I've been thinking somewhat since my last post and I feel I need to make it clear that I'm not trying to challenge STM's faith or objecting to his claim that his religion is the one true faith. I have no problem with anyone claiming that. I just don't like it when people try to 'prove' such a claim with fallacious arguments.

I'd be happy for someone to try and convert me with a fellatious argument, unless I've misunderstood what that word means, which I don't think I have.

No Nate I know you weren't being a douche...

@MM - I say, can I get an amen? I say can I get a I've seen the light? No, well if you don't devil gone kill a kitty

I'm still of the opinion that the greater planes will welcome atheists unless the atheists choose to accept oblivion. Literally a "One or the other" choice.

And by choose I mean "You are welcome to stay, but we can accept that you may be rooted enough in your convictions not to accept this."

For the record: I was being a douche.

Not to Christianity or Jesus, but to STM.

I know you were, I expect it though, it wouldn't be life without being able to wake up and say, "Ah, another day of Wings hate!"

What sort of morons do you take atheists for? Presentation of the actual afterlife is exactly the sort of thing to make them believe in an afterlife. Convictions.

Though frankly, I haven't heard any description of any afterlife that is not actually hell. That includes heaven, which turns out to be hell.

I like how this conversation derailed into religion without my interference.

Hey Havoc, I'm here, it was only a matter of time.

And Mr. BM I can't see Heaven as Hell tbh kthxbai

You're joking right? You can't be serious.