Like I said before, yes it goes against nature. I won't deny that. But that doesn't mean it's by definition morally wrong. The human race has done more things then I can count that go directly against nature so I don't think this is a big matter. Personally I find shooting animals for fun instead of food and stuff a worse case of going against nature then having sex with one and letting it live...

Havoc

But the shame it has to live through! It'll be cast out from it's family and forced to work the street!
:p

For most people, when confronting animals, they generally have more choices than 'rape or kill'. There's also things like 'pat it' and 'walk away', so you can't really justify it like that.

*Boots up Sims 2*

*Clicks animal*

*Options: Pet, Walk Away, Kill, Rape, Love, Stroke, Defile With*

Oh yea I'd love to see that in a Sims game. (Sorry, couldn't resist :p).

I know what you mean Faci but I was just naming an example. If the animal is in consent with whatever you're doing then moraly there shouldn't be anything wrong with it. For nature it might be wrong but that's something both parties are to blame in if, afterall, the animal agrees to what is going on :).

I agree. There have been worse things that we as humans have done to other humans. I don't think this can be defined as morally wrong, since, as Havoc said, the animal might not have anything against the act, and may even enjoy it. If it's not hurting anyone, then it can't possibly be morally wrong.

And what's more, Bitter Buffalo, there would never be half-man, half-tigers. As I've said before, you can't interbreed with another phyla of the animal kingdom. Humans can only mate with humans to create offspring. If a human were to amte with, let's say, a tiger, then nothing would happen as a result, as the DNA of a human and tiger are not similar enough to create an offspring. However, if you were to take a horse and a donkey, a mule would be their offspring, since their DNA is indeed similar enough to create an offspring. However, the consequences of the two animals mating is that the mule is rendered infertile, and cannot produce any offspring as a result.

Which, in theory, means that human/chimp hybrids might be viable.

I'm not sure what the verdict is on that theory. Either it is possible and never been tried, or not possible because of an evolutionary gap. Either way Snuzi explained it right, only animals from the same 'family' can interbreed. Large families such as a cats (Ligers are teh ownage), dogs and horses for instance.

Actualy that is not always the case. Hybrid offspring isn't always by default infertile. Quite often the males are, but the females are mostly able to conceive from any fertile male.

Havoc

Usually they are infertile, as a consequence of the chromosomes not matching up, meaning meiosis cannot take place. However, in plants, polyploidism can occur: the doubling of chromosomes. This is usually fatal in animals, but in plants it means hybrids can be made to be fertile, and is frequently a force behind plant evolution, as new species are frequent.


Though last year a new species of blue butterfly was observed to emerge by hybridisation.

Well there exist 1/4 Tigons or Ligers for example, which are created from breeding a tiger with a liger or a lion with a tigon.

Havoc

Yes, I always wondered about that.

Though You are still making hybrids. The rare occasion is when both male and female versions of the hybrid can reproduce together, and the offspring are similar to their hybridised parents. Then you have a new species.


An interesting point on this off-topic tangent: White headed and ruddy ducks. When hybridised, all the offspring are ruddy. Although genetically different, it appears that the two species had not fully diverged. Usually hey would have met each other, but the ruddy is now an invasive species... I think in Spain, though I'm not sure.

It is though that the early Homo lineage diverged and hybridised with the early Pan lineage, (back then the same genus) several times before the definite split finally occurred. There is some evidence that H. sapiens bred with Neanderthals, and that we could still carry immediate Neanderthal genes that we have inherited all these years.

That's why it was a joke.

GET HAVE CHIMPMAN MAKE.
Now. :p

I think Snuzi has decided to take up my role of assuming that everyone is stupid and being a complete jerk to them. Back off Snuzi. That's my job.

Always two there are, no more, no less: a master and an apprentice.

One that no one understood.

Aw, but I was just beginning to understand why you do it. It's exhilirating!

Welcome to the club Snuzi. OANST and me will teach you the fine art of idiot bashing! :D

havoc

Come on. Who would be stupid enough to think that humans could create children with tigers. I was obviously kidding even if it wasn't funny.

You'd be surprised at the people that pass trough this place... I wouldn't put it past some of them to actually think that.

Anyway, to go back on topic a little more again. Anyone ever had sexy time with a furry companion? :p

Havoc

Some people let their pets watch...

Teach and I shall learn, o great bashers :).



'nuff said.

Oooh. That'll come back to haunt him. At every opportunity.

Point taken.

I'll total the role of thread noob in the next bunch of pixels.
[idiot]

YEZ DER R TYGR PPL COZ LUK AT DIS RL FOTO LOL!!!11

http://english.vietnamnet.vn/dataima..._tiger-man.jpg

IT NOT FKAE LUK AT IT OMG!!!1
U R N00B.

[/idiot]

Wondering whether I'll get banned for this post now. :p

I've actually seen a documentary on that guy. He's cool... but also a little scary :p. Talk about mutilating your body...

What the ****.

This thread is just insane. Are there any normal people on this board!

Define -normal-

Not different?

Everyone who is socially acceptable AKA does exactly what society wants them to be doing.

You know, NoIndexHere, you sure are sounding like a person who is attempting hopelessly not to confrom for the sole purpose of proving that you are an individual. Let me guess, your parents don't view you as an "adult", right? ;)

Christ, how emo are you? Oh wait, no, you're just expressing yourself.

Yeah, reading it just makes everyone seem totally normal.

First let me say Hi, I am new here but this subject is an interest of mine.
I am writing a book from an "Insiders Perspective" and if I may, I would like to
respond to this thread but it will take me a short while as I will have to go over
the replies and get back to it in a few days.

Thanks to all here and I hope to be able to offer some insight as well as be a
fair member to your group.

I love Odd World and ABE is the MAN!!! :fuzzle:

Isn't posting in a year old thread against the rules.

Only when 1) there is no good reason for not creating a new thread and 2) the member does not contribute anything new.

Now, #1 is true; this doesn't need a new thread as it was a good discussion. #2 is not true but I'm sure iluvmares will contribute soon.

Now - any offtopic responses after this will receive infractions.

Surely I was supposed to quote something when I posted this, because it doesn't make any sense to me now.

Dear god my topic attracted a dude named iluvmares... I'm sorry :(.

Thank you "Nate" for allowing me the opportunity to add to a good topic :fuzzle:

I will be contributing very soon, I am still going over the 5 previous pages and
in light of this thread being so long, it is taking a little time to do so as well as
it is taking time to word my responses correctly.

:fuzgrin: "Facsimile" ... doesn't make sense to me either ( lol ) but the internet
does seem to be serious business anyway :fuzzle:

"Havoc"... what would you expect, that everyone who takes interest or replies
be named something ordinary? ( lol )
It's merely a "nick" which was chosen because I adore and love horses but
since I am also straight (as in not bi or gay), it didn't make sense to call myself
"iluvstuds" now did it? :fuzgrin:
Anyway, what is there to be sorry for? "skillya_glowi" came out of the barn
(so to speak) and has an out of the ordinary nick as well :fuzzle:

See you all soon :fuzgrin:

You do realise it was because of this topic name in conjuction with your username? That's what makes it amusing.

You don't need to put "" around everyone's names you know.

Just that I'm more used to seeing names like that on B-forum or whatever instead of around here ;).

Stallions are much sexier than mares.

Yes Zerox, I sort of pieced that together :fuzwink:
Oh and I do the " " around the user name just to differentiate it from regular
writing, just in case it gets overlooked.

Hmmm Havoc, interesting you mention B-Forum... I have my opinions on that
place that are anything but pleasantry. Personally, my beliefs on their idea of
what zoophilia is falls well below the reality of it - BF is merely a porn-infatuated,
wannabe community of misguided ignorance. Granted I have met some decent
folk there but the bad publicity far outweighs any good it could have.

(no offense to anyone)

Anyhow, I may have to post in several posts because I am not sure if this board has
limited space per post or not.

iluvmares: I don't go there to much anyway :p. I agree with you though, it's more of a porn haven then anything else. And you can just post wherever you will mate, no problem. Just keep it civilized.