Well, you took a single, isolated incident as this place turning into a "play ground." That's an exaggeration if I ever heard one. You overreacted, fucked up, as you put it.

Of course, that's not to say that I didn't fuck up in allowing the whole incident to take place.
I do. At least, I understand that you and several others were hurt by the incident. I was being completely honest in the Rule Revamp thread when I said...
So I do understand that you guys might feel betrayed, but it's only empathy; if I were in your position, I certainly wouldn't have felt as hurt as some of you did. Or at all, for that matter.

I still think that you overreacted. A lot. A whole lot. Even if you felt "betrayed" by a joke, that's not grounds for overthrowing (or trying to overthrow) the moderation team. As long as we're talking about "betrayals" here, I still say that a coup, even a failed coup, ranks far above a practical joke, especially when it isn't called for in any way. I still can't see how you feel that something like that is justified after I promised that I wouldn't allow something like the Wired incident to ever happen again. If you truly had the forum's best interest in mind, you would have let it go instead of trying to stir up dissent.

Some people just can't take a conspired trolling with grace. [/hypocrite]

As the person who went and made the situation worse, I probably don't have any place to tell others how I feel here. But I will anyway.

I think that Havoc, you need to let it go. I'll be the first to admit that I took it just as badly, but I was also reacting through anger, and that wasn't right. I took a little breather, and realized that it's not as important as I thought.

Havoc, there were certain people involved that we respect (that I still respect and love no matter what, people who I really hope won't hold a grudge against me), but you have to let that go. This is the internet, and you're just a mod on some forum for fans of a game series that's probably sinking in the mud right now. To take this situation like the way you're taking it is like being poked with a cotton swab and acting like you were stabbed in the shoulder with a kitchen knife.

*Ducks* Ahhhhh! Flame War! Flame War! Dive, Dive, Dive,! Run for the hills! :p *Runs away screaming*

Man I can't wait until the Antichrist of this forum apperes :p

What? I was already here.

Then why hasn't anyone been raptured?.....Oh....


:D

That was even more pointless than my posts. And you have to really work at it to achieve my level of pointlesness. Anyway, fuck the establishment. Bring down the kittie lovers and rape everyones grandparents.

I've been here for a while. Nigga, you blind?

To Matt: The joke was mine, you filthy bastard.
To OANST: Start with my grandmother. I believe she loves Christ.

You didn't get the point. I have a good sence of humour, I would have found the incident funny on its own. Even though there have been times where 'Wired' went far over the line IMO. And, if Dippy wouldn't have stirred things up like that, then I'd be laughing just as hard as you guys are.
The thing that pissed me off, was when I ended up on TM, and read all this kind of stuff about me from persons who normaly act perfectly nice to me, and there suddenly insult me like there's no tommorow. The stuff I read lately no doubt had a lot to do with my... uhm... 'attempted retaliation' :p, but still there was a lot on there from before that, that just kinda shook me up a bit. Because I never knew these persons thought about me that way, since they always appear to act nice when I'm around myself.
I felt backstabbed bigtime, and given the above circumstances, can I please feel backstabbed? Cuz especialy the persons it concerns, I'm kind of disappointed in. I think anyone else would feel the same, or am I totaly wrong here?

Anyway, now I got this image of me who can't take a joke and takes the internet faaaaar to seriously... and that... kinda... wasn't the point :p . Cuz I can take a joke, and I don't take it as seriously as I appear to. It's just that I like this place, and I'm kinda dedicated to keeping it alive and stuff. And since I lost trust in you guys at the time, one thing led to another and now I'm the laughing stock of the neighboorhood. Hey shit happens.

But yea, point of this is. If you have a problem with me personaly, just take it up with me, and don't go talking about what a moron I am behind my back. Or do talk behind my back about it, but at least have the guts to tell it to me as well, instead of acting all nice and stuff. I won't track you down and kill you if you tell me you don't like me.
If anyone could just do that in the future, stupid situations like this can be avoided and I won't have to break your neck when I do find out you're talking behind my back. Cuz as you might have noticed, THAT is what I take serious.

So with that it might be a good idea to just burry the hatchet and be honest with each other so we know what good we are to each other. Can we do that, or are we going to continue to stay pissed at each other?

I'm certainly arrogant. I don't try to deny it, Charlie and I pretty much started that place based on the idea that we're better than you*.

*General 'you' that refers to the forums in general.

I was extremely apathetic about this whole thing at first. I honestly couldn't give a shit. In fact I was egging it on because I get bored being at work 11 hours a day. But it looks to me like people have seriously gotten their feelings hurt. And as much as I don't give a shit about peoples feelings I don't give a shit about their feelings in person. I am certainly not in the habit of being chummy with someone that I dislike. I think you all know that. That's just a shitty way to act.I don't care if anyone talks shit about me but I don't have any emotional attachments to this forum. I like some of you, sure. And I dislike some of you as well. Facs. But it won't tear me up to not be able to talk to you again. I've got my family. Some people think of this as a family, however. Some people really put a lot of themselves into this place. They write fanfics and everything (you wouldn't catch me dead writing a fanfic). Let's just try to be at least a little respectfull from now on people. Or don't. I don't care. Just do it to each others faces.

Care to explain how you could possibly 'end up' on a forum that was both hidden and locked?

I really don’t know what is totally going on here but it seems dull. And certainly not hilarious. I come into this thread expecting to laugh my spine out through my arse and all I get is some tawdry ring-a-ring-o'-rosies discussion about some dull event possibly involving arrogance, betrayal and attempted retaliation (which doesn’t sound nearly as good as normal retaliation). Why not go lay down and listen to some Mozart or something, I hear he’s good.

K.

HAY GUYSS IM LISSNIN TUH MOAT ZART WOAH ITS LIKE A HOLE NUTHA WORLD OPEND UP TU MAH!
LISSNIN TAH MOAT ZART MEHKS ME LOAK SMURTAR THAN OTHA PPL!
I DONT EVIN LAIK IT BUT I LISSIN TO IT ANAWAH BEKAWS IT MAEKS ME LOOK SUHFISSTUKATID.!

:spin: WHEEEEEE!


I am so gonna get a spanking for this.

It was poorly hidden, and let alone locked. :fuzzle:

Okay, I wondered if anyone would pull me up on the Mozart reference.

I didn’t say it to look clever (I even said ‘I hear he’s good’… rather diminishing my point, no?), if I had wanted to look clever I would of said someone a little less well-known than Mozart! Like Gluck. :) I just wanted some relaxing music and so it was either a classical composer reference or a sedate Madonna one. I choose the former.

Phew – such explanation over such a small thing. But I see that you were so pleased with your own ‘witty’ riposte that you saw fit to quote YOURSELF in your signature. Pot, kettle, black, anyone?

Tru dat. You shouldn't be able to get in again though, unless the mole sending pictures and URLs rumour is true.

EDIT: I can't believe I didn't see through that user name, well done. I'm going to shut up now because I feel idiotic. :p

You only saw that now? Lol.

Well, if it makes you feel any better, I only talked shit about you after you tried to have the mod team overthrown and replaced. Doesn't do much for your backstabbing theory, after all...
In other words, I was being a bastard in reaction to your failed coup, so you couldn't have attempted a coup because I was being a bastard. Besides, Peter never said anything at all, even after all of this, so you had absolutely no reason to try to remove either of our positions.

At any rate, I apologize for the cheap shots. Just know that the only reason I never said them here is because I'm a staff member, and I wouldn't consider that proper behavior. I wasn't in any authoritative position at TM, so I had no qualms with flaming, and was still quite pissed at the time.

Hey! We don't take kindly to racists. Now pack it up and move on out of here before I call security.

No racists? Goddamn liberalists. What other intolerances do you people also NOT accept? Sigh…

Our Mutual Friend is quite right in saying this is all dreadfully weary, but I staggered through this last page just so I could add:

Hell, I've done that in real life. And it took me a couple of minutes to remember that it was with Havoc himself. But let's face it, we were all thinking exactly the same about paramiteabe. ;)

Hey Havoc, those were some pretty lame pictures you took of our forum. They didn't contain anything that was even show-worthy. Half the Wired stuff you took pictures of were things we talked about here ourselves. You totally overlooked the most controversial threads. :p

Also, next time you try to do something anonymously, maybe you should hide your bookmarked links. Cat Collection, OWF, some email place, and the tiger's den. Not obvious at all...

Lol, those pics wern't ment to BE anonymous :P.

Searex: Those comments wern't directed to you personaly. In fact, before this entire thing started you said you didn't have a problem with me at all. So I wasn't taking the piss directly at you. It were the few others (who perfectly well know who they are btw) I was referring to.

Fair enough. I still don't see why you deemed it necessary to try to remove Alcar and I from power, but whatever. I'm ready to move past it.

I've said everything I've needed to say.

Now, now, Havoc. Let's be honest. How else would you have tried to manipulate Rexy into giving you the new URL to our forum if you did not try to keep your picture taking secret. You told her that you'd tell her who was telling you about the place and whatnot if she'd give you the new URL, but you, in fact, were getting the information for yourself. Just curious, what would you have said to her after she had given you the new link if she had agreed? Would you have laughed, saying "Har har, I was the one taking pictures. No one needed to feed me any info!" or would you have furthered the lie?

I can't believe she (and I to a much lesser extent) have been trying to cut down the excessive "Havoc bashing" when you'd try to be so blatantly manipulative. I'm certainly glad she didn't fall for that.

Holy shit.

I think I missed something here.

Lol, yeah. You miss out on all the good stuff.

Just another 'remove me from power' parade. You know, like the good old days :p

Alcar...

Hey what the hell? You're twisting what happened. I told her I was the one snooping around there, and she asked me how I got in there. Then I said that I'd tell her if she gave me the new URL. I never ever said to anyone that someone else was responsible for all that. You guys did that yourself when you started suspecting each other.

Rexy is one of my closest friends around, I would never lie to her. So don't ever imply again that I did.

I think you're all immature.

Live and let live :rolleyes:

Alcar...

Lets all hug n kiss n forget about these dark days ^_^

Uh-huh... Even so, it's obvious that you just used the link Dipstikk posted. Still rather underhanded of you to make it sound like you got there in some more significant way, like someone secretly gave you the link.

Seriously peoples, do we really need to discuss this any further? This is just a blatantly immature piece of one-upmanship which makes both sides look bad.

Yay! Finally someone who wants to close this discussion/arguement/whatever..... Lets just go back to our normal posting-habits :-)

Agreed on. It has been discussed enough now, yes?

Yeah. Already said it.

Yeah... I'm starting to miss the original goal of my thread. Too bad that never took off. *shrug*

How about when that chick posted pictures of herself in her underwear? Or was that already covered?

And to give props to the mod thing about Wired, I thought this was pretty funny:

First page'd.

Now that was fun. :D I just loved that. If only someone would have a superextremist attitude to it, we might've had another week of fun controversy.

It took a couple months of ponography to remedy my mind of those images.

/what was the purpose of the Wired thing, anyhow? I just want an explanation that doesn't involve bastardizing and all that other good stuff that should be left to abortion threads.

Wired was an account created for multiple people from The Mausoleum to use to post in on OWF and give the impression that it were Reese Charles. He also had a 'multiple personality disorder' to explain the variance from post to post.
Dipstikk let slip the information of who it really was to someone and word started getting around. Dipstikk was banned from TM. He avenged this by making it very open on OWF who Wired was and what TM was. Public outcry ensued and certain members wanted to overthrow any mods who went to TM. There were tears and catfights.

I was disappointed Wired was discovered so early, as I hadn't yet posted as him.