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MeechMunchie 07-27-2013 01:21 PM

Or Fat Mat.

Varrok 07-27-2013 02:20 PM

...oh hey, seems like I forgot to check this topic for a while. Anything new since my last post?

*takes a look*

oh god.

Nepsotic 07-27-2013 02:47 PM

You think that's bad? I've been away since Thursday. Also, Chris Morris.

Varrok 07-27-2013 03:07 PM

Oh, so could you make a TL;DR version? Awesome!

Nepsotic 07-27-2013 03:27 PM

Yes. Peadophiles are good people and child molesters are horrible and Chris Morris is better than Chuck Norris.

Vyrien 07-27-2013 06:14 PM

Clearly an accurate and impartial summary of the thread's content.

MA 07-28-2013 04:44 AM

yeah. paedo's are good people. let's give them all big, sloppy kisses and send them on their way, the rascals.

Crashpunk 07-28-2013 10:51 AM

I hate this thread and I want it to go away.

Havoc 07-28-2013 03:57 PM

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Children may well experience sexual arousal and be capable of sexual stimulation. But until they reach puberty and hormones have fully done their work, they do not understand, cannot understand, and will not understand, no matter how labouriously it is explained, the concept of sexual desire.
Again that's a pretty big assumption. If they are capable of sexual arousal would they not also be capable of understanding sexual desire if they were explained what the arousal means? For that matter, isn't sexual arousal and desire basically the same thing in this context?

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for the record BDSM and swingers are considered fine by most, all to do with consenting adults. paedophilia and zoophilia doesn't involve consenting adults
You are right, that wasn't the most appropriate collection of examples. Though I do have an interesting observation when asking people what they think about zoophilia. Roughly half the people will tell you it's not their cup of tea, but have no objection as long as the animal isn't being hurt/enjoying itself. The other half will tell you it's flat out disgusting and animal abuse. The original point I was trying to make being that there is no uniform opinion on either subject (pedo or zoo). The law might make both illegal, but many different people have many different opinions.

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a sexual attraction to children is wrong, end of story. it goes against nature
Yet it is nature that creates the sexual attraction to begin with. So that creates somewhat of a problem with your theory. One could wonder if there is some sort of evolutionary reason for pedophilia to emerge or if it may not be as unnatural as people seem to believe. I think there are plenty of animals that show signs of sexual interest long before they are sexually mature.

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anyone who willingly labels themselves a paedophile is a fucking idiot
No-one willingly labels themselves. But I'm sure there comes a point in a pedo's life where he can't ignore the facts anymore. There's no point in pretending to be something your not (or pretending to not be something you are). That doesn't mean they go public with that information, just that they have decided to come to terms with their situation.

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No, it’s the adults fault for manipulating and brainwashing them into thinking it was okay to begin with.

Regardless of how the relationship between the two developed (natural, with 'consent' or by manipulation), what if the child genuinely enjoyed the interaction, continued to enjoy the interaction for as long as it lasted and had happy memories of the interaction years down the line? Would you believe that insisting he/she was abused and raped is a good thing? You're essentially taking a good memory and turning it into a nightmare just because you believe that's how it happened.

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I apologize if I said anything that was standoffish and aggressive. But you should know that this particular subject is going to incite some negative responses as with any controversial topic. I understand a lot of the points you made in this topic and I can see why you would have your point of view the way it is. I don’t agree with it one bit, but I understand.

It's good to discuss controversial topics every now and again even if the majority of people are completely against it. The discussion allows for some insights people might otherwise not have on their own. I'm a big believer in thinking for yourself and having your own opinion instead of blindly assuming that the opinion of the masses must be the right one. If my controversial topics and questions get you to think and consider things you didn't consider before then I've done my part.

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I hate this thread and I want it to go away.
Out of sight, out of mind. :happy:

You know you could always just not open the thread?

Wings of Fire 07-28-2013 04:01 PM

On second thoughts I'll leave this until tomorrow.

Varrok 07-28-2013 04:31 PM

On my 18th birthday, when I reached adultery, I had a sexual attraction to a girl one month younger than me and therefore, not adult. Was I a paedophile? Where's the line?

Havoc 07-28-2013 05:46 PM

If the age of consent is 18 where you live you would technically be a pedophile I suppose. Though the more accurate definition would be ephebophile since she's a teenager.

In reality of course it shouldn't matter since the age difference is negligible, but 18 year olds have been arrested, charged and even jailed for sleeping with a 17 year old. Not to long ago I believe there was a case where an 18 year old guy was convicted of producing child pornography because his 17 year old girlfriend sent him erotic pictures of herself which he had on his cell phone.

Slog Bait 07-28-2013 08:29 PM

There's a decent amount of places that allow some level of cushion when it comes to sexual relations around the legal adult age. It's usually about a ~3 year difference if you're a legal adult and your partner is underage. You should probably check your country's consent laws.

Also, pedophilia is being attracted to children. Older teens aren't children and they rarely have the body of one.

Semi related, I had a friend I met when he was 13. He called himself a pedophile openly because he was sexually active and mostly attracted to children and child-like people. He didn't understand why people would lash out at him because of it. After all, this word did describe his attractions almost perfectly. Realize, he had JUST turned 13 years old and he had not yet hit puberty. Years later, long after he had, he had no sexual desires towards children or child-like people at all anymore. He's attracted to people who are sexually mature and the thought of being attracted to a child disgusts him.

There are still people far older than him that KNEW how old he was at the time he was going around that condemn him for being attracted to kids while he himself was a kid.

I'm pretty certain that for people who remain attracted to children long after reaching sexual maturity, whatever switch was supposed to flip to make you more attracted to other sexually mature people never flipped.

OddjobAbe 07-28-2013 11:59 PM

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Again that's a pretty big assumption. If they are capable of sexual arousal would they not also be capable of understanding sexual desire if they were explained what the arousal means? For that matter, isn't sexual arousal and desire basically the same thing in this context?

Still ongoing cognitive development?

MA 07-30-2013 03:57 AM

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On second thoughts I'll leave this until tomorrow.

lol

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On my 18th birthday, when I reached adultery, I had a sexual attraction to a girl one month younger than me and therefore, not adult. Was I a paedophile? Where's the line?

stupid questions get stupid answers.

giraffe.

honestly, some of you guys would argue the colour of fucking shite. it's almost commendable. but not in this case.

Varrok 07-30-2013 07:42 AM

thanks MA

Nepsotic 07-30-2013 07:59 AM

Once I saw a white dogshit. I'm not even kidding. Solid white.

Bullet Magnet 07-30-2013 09:37 AM

That comes from a dog that was fed bones.

MeechMunchie 08-04-2013 10:09 PM

I once saw some fox shit that had an intact pigeon intestine trailing out of the end. That thing really ought to chew its food.

As for the other thing, I was using "desire" as shorthand for "intent to manipulate a person of interest so as to make them sexually available to you". You know, like I said in the bit of the post Havoc obviously didn't read.

MA 08-05-2013 06:55 PM

lol havuc u so crazee

Havoc 08-07-2013 05:40 AM

You have no idea.