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Nepsotic 09-22-2012 10:41 AM

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Birds have three claw things, mudokons evolve from birds?

ALL birds don't have 3 talons.

seriouslyoddfan 09-22-2012 10:48 AM

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99*3 is the same as 3*99.

Absolutely true and absolutely irrelevant. There's a difference between taking a product and exponentiation.



SOF

Varrok 09-22-2012 10:52 AM

399 means you multiply 3 by 3, and then by 3, and then by 3... you do that 99 times

EDIT: Sorry, you do that 98 times, if you start from 3

Nepsotic 09-22-2012 10:59 AM

399 or 993, doesn't matter, you'll always end up with the same result: 297.



seriouslyoddfan 09-22-2012 11:02 AM

Nice deflection, but it was too transparent. Just admit that you were wrong vis-a-vis the conditions of the hypothetical. I want to move on with my life.

Nepsotic 09-22-2012 11:16 AM

But, you ALWAYS end up with the same result, so, how am I wrong?

LIJI 09-22-2012 11:17 AM

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399 or 993, doesn't matter, you'll always end up with the same result: 297.



xy isn't x times y, it's x to the power of y.

52 = 5 * 5 = 25
25 = 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 = 32


3 * 99 = 297
99 * 3 = 297
399 = ~ 17 with 46 zeros following
993 = 970299

And anyway, the correct number of endings would be 399. That's slightly less than the number of atoms in planet earth.

Varrok 09-22-2012 11:20 AM

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399 or 993, doesn't matter, you'll always end up with the same result: 297.

F-

EDIT: LIJI was faster.

STM 09-22-2012 11:24 AM

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Would be cool If each Mudokon had a name, and when you rescue them, it says "Rescued Dave" or if they are killed; "Dave's Dead" That would be quite funny.
Dave is my awesome example name. John is another.

Zed's dead baby. Zed's dead.

Nepsotic 09-22-2012 11:25 AM

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xy isn't x times y, it's x to the power of y.

52 = 5 * 5 = 25
25 = 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 = 32


3 * 99 = 297
99 * 3 = 297
399 = ~ 17 with 46 zeros following
993 = 970299

And anyway, the correct number of endings would be 399. That's slightly less than the number of atoms in planet earth.

I'm not going to compete with that, not even going to try.
Fuck maths. Fuck the shit out of it.

Wil 09-22-2012 11:25 AM

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399 or 993, doesn't matter, you'll always end up with the same result: 297.

993 = 970 299
399 = 172 billion trillion trillion trillion

That's a very significant difference that SOF is absolutely right to call me out on. My mistake!

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ALL birds don't have 3 talons.

And it's the ones that do that evolved into Mudokons. Except they didn't. But they could have!

MeechMunchie 09-22-2012 11:32 AM

I thought talons were on the back? Claws are on the front.

Nepsotic 09-22-2012 11:34 AM

AGHH!!

Scrabaniac 09-22-2012 12:37 PM

Looking at this reminds me of why i failed my maths A level :D
All i know is that 3^99 (my phone has no math functions) is 297 which = Good ending

Nepsotic 09-22-2012 12:51 PM

< sup > < / sup >

No maths functions needed!

Scrabaniac 09-22-2012 12:53 PM

399
Ok thats cool :)

Varrok 09-22-2012 01:47 PM

but... but it's *not* 297 =.=

I don't know whether I'm being trolled or not

Nepsotic 09-22-2012 01:52 PM

My brain is close to shutting down, let's get this thread back on track so I don't overload.

Varrok 09-22-2012 01:55 PM

I demand a thread about people unable to do simple calculations D|

seriouslyoddfan 09-22-2012 04:15 PM

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I demand a thread about people unable to do simple calculations D|

I may have been a little harsh earlier when I implied that Nepsotic was trolling. So, my apologies for that.

But, as Varrok has emphasized, and LIJI has detailed, and as Wil has acknowledged, there is a difference between computing the product of two numbers and computing the nth power of some number (and that a^b does not equal b^a).

Anyway, I'm sure everyone has grown tired of this tangent; however, to the youngsters and the those otherwise unaware, don't forsake math -- it's full of beauty and utility.


SOF

PS: here is a link to a nice simple primer on combinatorics.

http://www.tutor-homework.com/Math_H...m6l6notes1.pdf

Sekto Springs 09-22-2012 11:58 PM

I thought this thread was about the second Abe HD screenshot. Not math :(
I hate math!

enchilado 09-23-2012 01:02 AM

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Looking at this reminds me of why i failed my maths A level :D
All i know is that 3^99 (my phone has no math functions) is 297 which = Good ending

You're joking, right? There was just a whole goshdarned page of discussion about this.

^ != *

Andrelvis 09-23-2012 01:23 AM

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ALL birds don't have 3 talons.

Indeed, and if they did, there is such a thing called convergent evolution, which means that, for instance, although sharks and dolphins have little relation, they both evolved many of the same characteristics, since they are optimal for living underwater, and thus species living under such conditions will often tend to end up with those aspects.

If we consider that the humanoid form is optimal for intelligent creatures, then it becomes plausible for birds to have evolved into Mudokons, which have a humanoid form. And since handling tools is of the most important characteristics for intelligent creatures, then the Mudokons evolving to have four fingers and thus become more apt in regards to handling tools becomes very much plausible, even if the birds they originally evolved from had only three talons.

STM 09-23-2012 01:42 AM

There is a bony nodule in the back of most bird talons which could plausibly have evolved into another talon and eventually perhaps a dexterous attachment, thus I suppose it is perfectly plausible to have a four fingered mudokon.

Nepsotic 09-23-2012 03:45 AM

4 fingers is canon, though? Right?

STM 09-23-2012 04:59 AM

Yeah.

Nate 09-23-2012 05:46 AM

I hope that you guys are at least going to keep the more sanitised Mudokon Pop design. The head on a spike thing never made any sense to me, either from a marketing point of view or from the sense of scale. Are these snacks for giants?!

Varrok 09-23-2012 05:59 AM

But it was dark... and gory ._. They said they won't change gory things

THESE HEADS LOOK SO DELICIOUS, I JUST CAN'T RESIST EATING THEM

JennyGenesis 09-23-2012 06:01 AM

The head on a spike makes more sense to me, since they wanted the meat of a Mudokon, that image to me did look like actual meat, but at the same time, why only the head? I'm sure other parts of the Mudokon could be useful.

The "sanitized" image looked like a frozen lollipop to me. Which yeah, meat can be frozen, but it looks like a lollipop you'd have on a hot day. Not something to go with the sunday dinner.

Varrok 09-23-2012 06:08 AM

And, be honest, it's much, much less shocking to see just a lolipop in that intro revelation. Lolipops are silly.