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TheRaisin 02-22-2005 08:29 PM

Children socializing in a friendly manner and learning how to act around members of the opposite sex = good.

Children trying to act like adults = bad.

You'll notice I didn't use the word "dating". You can come up with your own definition of dating. That's more a matter of opinion than anything else.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

Agent-Sarah 02-22-2005 08:34 PM

If humans were rabbits, we've could've died from having way too much sex.

thatbluebastard 02-22-2005 08:36 PM

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How quickly the conversation turns.

The question of purpose is a question no human can answer, or ever will. It amazes me when some people speak as if they can even comprehend life. I mean, what is anything? All the knowledge we have came from others just like us, independent beings who had to be taught how things are by way of example. Nobody actually understands what is actually going on. What we do is follow the herd, but who is leading? Nobody. Everyone acts as if they know what they're doing, they don't. We've developed culture to put this stuff into some kind of logical sense. We are now processed to beleive that there are certain ways of doing things and this is this, is that. The truth is we're all confused and alone, but because we have a false sense of togetherness and knowledge, we just go with it. I have nothing against this way of life and I enjoy living it this way. My point is nobody has the answers, and if they say they do, they have a false sense of reality. I keep an open mind, and beleive anything is possible, thinking anything less is just egotistical.



this entire paragraph is a truism.


it's redundant.

thatbluebastard 02-22-2005 08:39 PM

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I'm not defining life by my opinion, but simply stating my opinion. You can agree or disagree.



Yes, it was rather stupid, yes. But then again, we do not know how we got here for sure...



But isn't the point of a burritos existence to be eaten? I mean, what other choice does it have except 'not be eaten'? Then again, burritos are more sentient than some forum users... :p



I'm not saying it is completely pointless, as I said that your view previously stated on life was true. I'm just saying, it is pretty much 50-50. The person life may not be pointless, but their sex life/ non-sex life was... Not to mention their previous kin's persistence to breed.

Wow, we have sort of trod off the topic of "Children dating"... Who thinks it's moral, or immoral? Myself, I think it is immoral, for previously stated reaons, many of which were not stated my moi. Anyway, I think it is just stupid and obviously peer-pressure induced.



but a sex life is vastly unimportant[in traditional views] compared to that of life itself.



a burrito could have infinite purpose. but that's mincing words.




i was just arguing the fact that you stated a person's life[or their predecessors] becomes pointless if they do not breed as an objective truth.



shit double post. my bad.


anyways, i may yet continue this. but i am tired and must go to sleep.

Leto 02-22-2005 08:40 PM

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Children socializing in a friendly manner and learning how to act around members of the opposite sex = good.

Children trying to act like adults = bad.

You'll notice I didn't use the word "dating". You can come up with your own definition of dating. That's more a matter of opinion than anything else.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
Couldn't have been said any better, TheRaisin. I agree that children need to learn how to act properly around the opposite sex at a young age, otherwise they may turn out to be a sexist person. Or worse.

But what I am reffering to is children trying to act 'adult', per se. Which I find immoral and stupid. But that is just my opinion.

Rich 02-23-2005 02:39 AM

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But what I am reffering to is children trying to act 'adult', per se. Which I find immoral and stupid. But that is just my opinion.
Only in certain matters. I prefer adults to children in most situations :p
I was raised around many adults and few other children, it made me the mature and sensible person I am today. I now feel much more comfortable around older people and I hate children.

Children should strive to be intelligent and grown up, but not pre-teen lovers.

Alpha 02-23-2005 03:15 AM

The kids round my age 13-14 all swear it was there time to smoke get drunk everything you'd expect you'd only do when your 18!, it's madness.

MojoMan220 02-23-2005 09:17 AM

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this entire paragraph is a truism.


it's redundant.

Thank you for reviewing my words. I'm glad to know you'll be evaluating peoples opinions.

You have good points, but this could go on forever considering there is no answer to the question you ask.

thatbluebastard 02-23-2005 01:54 PM

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Thank you for reviewing my words. I'm glad to know you'll be evaluating peoples opinions.

You have good points, but this could go on forever considering there is no answer to the question you ask.





it's my right to review an opinion.



what you say is akin to saying, 'napoleon dynamite is a movie because it's a movie'



there isn't a definitive answer, but that doesn't stop debate.

TheLonelySteef 02-23-2005 02:10 PM

I'm a teenager and I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I have some questions that might be taken that way.
What seperates a child from and adult? When we turn 16 or 18 do we magically transform out of innocence or something? I guess that might sound retarded but do you get what I'm saying?

And about the life without meaning thing some have posted I'd like to ask some more questions.
If you think that our lives don't have a purpose then do you believe the universe has a purpose? Maybe you think it does, but you believe we as humans can't know it? If you came face to face with truth do you think you would know it?

Obviously I'm hinting towards something with this second part, as I am a Christian, but I'd like to read your answers.

TheRaisin 02-23-2005 02:40 PM

I prefer adults to children, but adults can sometimes be worse. When a child acts childish or petty or what have you, it's because he or she can't control him- or herself, or he or she hasn't learned how to behave. But adults can be just as petty, nasty, and cruel. The difference is that adults know exactly what they're doing. When an adult says something hurtful, it's because they want it to hurt. When they do something cruel, it's for the sake of being cruel. And of course, an adult's power to inflict harm is much greater than that of a child. An adult can hit someone where it hurts.

Of course, without adults there would be no art worth mentioning. Children can't experience real love or hate, anguish, heartbreak, ennui, any of the intense and deep emotions that lead to the creation of meaningful art.

So they have to grow up sometime. But they should enjoy their youth while they have it. I acted weird for years (I'm only just growing out of it). I wouldn't presume to say that I acted like an adult, but I certainly didn't act my age. My ettiquette, my vocabulary, my knowledge of natural science were all downright anomalous for a person of my age. But obviously it doesn't do to act older than you are when you're a little kid. I never acted like a kid when I was supposed to, and look how I turned out.

On an unrelated note, TBB, I am pleased at your use of the universal metaphor, the burrito, in this . . . d word (like an argument, but with bigger words involved). I love using the burrito as an example in any philosophical or theological debate. Like, "Could God make a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?".

MojoMan220 02-23-2005 02:43 PM

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it's my right to review an opinion.

I never said it wasn't. you can say anything you want. I was just pointing out your labeling of my opinion without a reasonable explanation.

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what you say is akin to saying, 'napoleon dynamite is a movie because it's a movie'

Unlike life, we can find out who created it and why, so I'm not sure how that comparison applies.

thatbluebastard 02-23-2005 05:12 PM

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I never said it wasn't. you can say anything you want. I was just pointing out your labeling of my opinion without a reasonable explanation.


Unlike life, we can find out who created it and why, so I'm not sure how that comparison applies.




it doesn't need a reasonable explanation.


i don't know how much clearer i can make it, short of creating a short film for you, sending it to the Sundance Film Festival, getting it aired on HBO, then making sure you're watching at primetime.



the napoleon dynamite comment was a situational definition of what a truism is.



other words that are similar are cliché.


it's a self-evident truth.

TheRaisin 02-23-2005 06:05 PM

Okay seriously, this has gotten way off-topic. Some people are no longer talking about anything even remotely related to children dating. I must protest to this hijacking.

Nate 02-23-2005 06:32 PM

Okay, how about this: I can't believe that kids that young are dating. Most kids I know 13 and under won't go near each other because of girl/boy germs.

One camp that I led 12/13 year olds we ran a whole program in which every game we played was planned to maximise intra-gender contact, just because we thought it was silly that they ran away from each other and also we wanted some good on-camp gossip.

MojoMan220 02-23-2005 07:52 PM

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i don't know how much clearer i can make it, short of creating a short film for you, sending it to the Sundance Film Festival, getting it aired on HBO, then making sure you're watching at primetime.

That's all I'm asking for.

sligster 02-24-2005 02:31 PM

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Okay, how about this: I can't believe that kids that young are dating. Most kids I know 13 and under won't go near each other because of girl/boy germs.


13? u serious?

by 10 and a half I was encouraging the girl germs :)

Nate 02-24-2005 05:49 PM

Maybe in Oz we're a bit more sezually repressed. Hell, I just noticed I mispelled 'sexually'

Havoc 02-24-2005 05:58 PM

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The kids round my age 13-14 all swear it was there time to smoke get drunk everything you'd expect you'd only do when your 18!, it's madness.

For once I agree with you. Kids of that age think they are being cool when they smoke and get drunk. Luckily I somehow managed to fight right trough that phase of life and that left me a non smoker and drinker. A fact Im still verry proud off.

Anywayz, isn't this subject dead yet? I thought about everything was said by now O.o.

The Marching Mudokon 02-25-2005 04:55 AM

A girl I know who (a couple of years ago) was in year 1 said she was 'dating'. Now that's madness! Year 1 is waaay too young to have a boyfriend (or a girlfriend) if you ask me and any sensible person.

Rich 02-25-2005 10:44 AM

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Maybe in Oz we're a bit more sezually repressed. Hell, I just noticed I mispelled 'sexually'
It's impossible for anyone in that age group to date or have a sexual relationship. They don't have the balls to do it.

Alpha 02-25-2005 12:23 PM

It's more wierd if your'e having an affair at the age of 13!, yes my friend is cheating on his girlfriend.

TheRaisin 02-25-2005 02:28 PM

TMM, what in the world is year 1? And how old is someone who is "in year 1"?

sligster 02-25-2005 02:42 PM

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TMM, what in the world is year 1? And how old is someone who is "in year 1"?

1 year old

TheRaisin 02-25-2005 04:49 PM

You are joking, of course.

Does year 1 refer to like, the first year of school or something?

Havoc 02-25-2005 05:23 PM

Most likely the first year of highschool, which would set the age to 12-13...

TheRaisin 02-25-2005 07:49 PM

12 to 13? In the U.S. it's like fourteen to fifteen. Which would not be too young, in my opinion. But I would like to hear from The Marching Mudokon since he brought it up and presumably knows what he's talking about . . .

sligster 02-25-2005 07:52 PM

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12 to 13? In the U.S. it's like fourteen to fifteen. Which would not be too young, in my opinion. But I would like to hear from The Marching Mudokon since he brought it up and presumably knows what he's talking about . . .

I was 13 when I began HS.......

The Marching Mudokon 02-25-2005 08:33 PM

Sorry I should have explained that better. Year 1 is the first year of primary school in Australia so she would have only been 5 or 6.

Havoc 02-25-2005 09:35 PM

Well lets make clear that a 5 year old does NOT know what a date is in the first place. A normal 5 year old doesn't even see a girl as a potential life (or sex for that matter) partner O.o