First and foremost, I would like to congratulate TheRaisin for taking time to read the manuscript he denies. It shows a fair and balanced mind, to actually attempt to understand that which you do not agree with. Shows you are willing to see all sides of the issues, as opposed to some blabbering narrow-minded, moron slacker (and believe me, I've know my fair share of blabbering narrow-minded, moron slackers. It relieves me, that you are not one of them).

I would also like to express my gratitude of your improved politeness, over last time (you remember).

NOTE: Yes, the Bible does contain some most...amusing names. You are without argument there.

Although Muslims will profess to believing in the same diety, this is both (for Christians, anyway), both untrue, and irrelevant...as I shall show.

Firstly, Christianity itself proclaims against war, whilst Islam promotes it. Where as the Crusades were a horrible act of hipocrasy (You know...Killing in the name of, "the Prince of Peace," and such), the Jihad is not as such. In fact, to my knowledge, the Koran declairs, "kill the infidel." Both the Bible and the Koran are (supposedly, shall we say) the direct beliefs of their respective religions, and the, "direct," proclaimation of their dieties. How can they be the same god, if one says, "peace," and one says, "kill?"

Even if they were the same diety, Christianity (in truth) renders that possibility irrevelant anyway. For the simple sake of argument, let us assume that Christianity is the one way. Islam denies the divinity of Christ, as does Jeudism. According to Christianity, Christ is divine, and must be recognized as such. Failure to do so results in, dare I say it, loss of salvation.

I shall continue later.





*Or however the Hades you spell his name.

Yes, Raisen, I commend you too if I have not already said that. You're a very respectable guy.

Tell that to Dubya. :p

Eh... :confused: I'm guessing you're basing this on the New Testament, which message is based on peace and love. But gosh, the Old Testament... I wouldn't be surprised if there's more things about killing in order to "purge the evil from among us". No joke, there's one chapter that has "You must purge the evil from among you" at the end of every verse, giving a reason to stone someone. Spooooky stuff... Sorry, I'm just having a bit of fun with this subject now.

Just so this isn't completely off topic, I'm terrified of praying mantises. My grandfather used to throw them on me and laugh when I was a wee little Ambi. *shudder* Oh, and if anyone ever asks me to hold out my hand so they can give me something, I freak out. My loving Granddad used to try to put other types of nasty insects in my hands, telling me he had candy for me.

Interestingly enough, there is a verse hidden somewhere amongst the books of the Old Testiment, proclaiming that stoning is a suitable punishment for slackers.

*Suddenly, in devine justice, Sligs everywhere drop dead.*

Yes, I am basing my argument off the New Testiment. The general concept, is that Jesus died, and ergo paid for our sins. Before his sacrifice, sinners had to be redeemed via animal sacrifice, or, "paying," for their sin, and I don't mean cash. Jesus died, so that that sinners could cast off their sin, and sin no longer, and be free of it...as opposed to getting stoned on the first sign of, shall I say, "evil activities." In Christianity, the concept is that no sin(s) is/are too dark and terrible to be forgiven...assuming they are halted as well (So none of this saying your sorry and doing it yet again nonsense).

On a side note, I am currently working on a guide to the Bible...just to explain why I believe exactly what I believe.

Yep, slacking is one of those "seven deadly sins" if I'm not mistaken. Nephy, I was just checking that you were basing it off the NT and reminding you of God's well-known wrath and whatnot in the OT. I'm a fellow Christian, remember? No need to explain the significance of Christ's death, silly.

It was for all who come after, who do not know.

Nepharski, I believe you have uncovered an extremely good point. Here's what I think: until God descends from the heavens and starts handing out copies of his book, "The Gospel According to God", we're not going to get the gospel truth as spoken by God himself. Humans twist quotes, distort facts, hide bits of information, and, when it comes right down to it, lie through their teeth. You can't say that because a religion advocates something, their god advocates it as well. The Christian god is probably looking down from heaven right now, pulling his hair out and saying things like "That's not what I meant! Who the hell keeps misquoting me?!". Granted, there are some glaring differences between Christianity and Islam. But that doesn't necessarily mean the gods are different, just that the people see things differently.

Tell that to Dubya! *collapses on floor laughing*

Thanks for the kind words, folks. I have fewer apprehensions about what I say when I'm conversing with people I don't know via the Internet, and therefore I often fear people get the wrong impression of me, so I still try to keep a fair level of integrity. I don't know you and I certainly never will, but it would still bother me if you all thought I was an asshole.

Easy, it's all made up.
ALCAAAAAAAR! Please wave your magic wand and make this debate not here. It's gone well offtopic.

Yes, let us get back to the irrational fears.

New Idea: I'm going to start a new thread of Irrational Fears.

Can a mod please close this one to avoid confusion.

I'm closing this because there is a new version of this thread, in which there is no spam or complete off-topic-ness.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.oddworldforums.net/showthread.php?t=10778

Alcar...