I really hope you aren't mad at me. I think I've been nice. :|

Then don't reply retard, as for the rest of you. I think this topic needs to come to an end before things start getting out of hand. PA made his statement, everyone gave his opinion about it one way or another, after that everyone apologised to PA for giving their opinion so rude and now we start all over again. Can someone close this pre-flame topic?

EDIT: That first sentence was pointed at Joe, to get confusion out the way :) Oddguy pulled a fastone on me :).

Well thankyou Joe. He is right ya know you guys hate us Americans and then you got people like me who actually supports my country men who are over there risking their lives to protect my country and you have the nerve to shoot me down like that? I said I was sorry because I wanted to end it. Joe was right you are a bunch ignorant 3rd graders.

Jesus christ Joe you really are a fucking retard. You totally kicked yourself in the head with that one.

"Your own England"? That says it all. "You mock every patriaotic American" says even more. I mock the idiotic - I don't give a fuck what nationality you are, dipshit. The fact that you are American makes it even more apparant to me that you have a stereotype prejudice that the British are all Anti-American hypocrites. I'm Russian ffs.

PA it looks to me like you're the one who isn't getting it. You preach your opinions as "gods honest truth" - but really that isn't very respectful, since god doesn't tell any truth if your religion says he doesn't exist. While it is essential to educate the masses on most religions, it is equally as essential to remain neutral about it, and allow them the freedom to choose. Fail that and you become some pseudo religious branch of the nazi.

So don't be so opinionated. Areas of personal preference and opinion are gray areas, there are no real truths or certainties here - and you were certainly not put on this earth to change that.

Hmmm, I'm guessing that means you're mad at me. :dodgy:

-oddguy :(

EDIT: Oy! Looks like PA edited his post. I feel better. Aw, now I can leave this topic in peace.

On another note, just because something is right in your mind, doesn't mean it is truth. That's why we call it an opinion, because that is your take on the matter or subject. You can't say someone is wrong just because they don't think the way you do. If you want to function in the real world without pissing people off, you'll understand that people have opinions. Just because they don't think like you, doesn't make them evil.

-oddguy

No Oddguy I am not angry at you I am ferious with the Europeans for being a bunch anti American trash. They are nothing but ignorant babies that I hope we bomb the hell out of!

Can I just point out that God wouldnt like that......

I wouldn't like it either. Europe is home to the world's coolest accents! :D I just think PA is upset.

-oddguy

PA scroll up and read my post, the one where I quoted both you and Joe, and you will note a suprising similarity between the two of you.

Please don't call Europe a bunch of anti American trash. The English invented SO many of the things you take for granted, including the car, the railroad, the television, and heavy industry. They are not ignorant babies either, and British forces are fighting side by side with American forces - something that you apparantly don't have the guts to do.

EDIT: Can everyone PLEASE stop reading past my posts? I read all your posts it's fair that you give mine a chance too. It also saves me repeating stuff and allows you to get a better picture of the way things are.

Death, just... Jeesus. You've broken me down. You've been right all along. Every word you've said, I've just been trying to hide it. I could care less about the Iraqi's, they behaded one of us and they all need killed. My country is better than every other one, and one of ours down takes importance over every other problem in the world right now. Oh, and I hate you British too.

I'm a disgraceful slob. Despite everything good I do, I'm still a horrible person who fits every god damned stereotype you can come up with. Jesus, despite the fact you're obviously an intelligent human who keeps up with events, I don't see how anybody could so ignorantly ignore everything said in defense.You're the most arrogant person I've ever had the distasteful oppurtunity to speak with, and I don't think anybody else here would be able to disagree.

Dude relax I am not a lunatic trying to take over the world with religion. I support my troops and my country and I am just getting sick and tired of anti Americans its just pissing me off. I can't stand how the rest of the world views us. And right now I hope we make a lake out of Iraq or Afganistan.

We are the greatest nation in the world and you Europeans are just jealous of us.

I didn't support the war in Iraq, but once the campaign started, I have to support the troops. They are dying over there, and weirdos protesting the war are being disrespectful to the lives lost. I support the troops and want this war to be successful, but problems are popping up all over the place. Bush really screwed up. If these problems aren't resolved by election time, Bush is sure to lose.

-oddguy

You've got completely the wrong idea of what I was trying to say on a major scale.

Not only that, but it's turned personal now. You're ignoring views and jumping straight to character assassinations.

Read again what I have to say, this time don't skim or read into it. Take it as it's offered. In black and white.

Wow.

Well guys, can't say I didn't try here.

Oh, and Majic...loved that speech. Loved it. Loved YOU.

America is an interesting place. But read about Babylon in the scriptures...it describes America perfectly.

-oddguy

Its the Anti Americans is who I am pissed at. We help everyone out and they still hate us. I just don't like all the Anti American sentiment these days. It really is getting way out of hand and thats what pisses me off.

You loved the speech? Why? He was trying to vilify me, what's to love about that?

This really has gone to a pathetic level. The fact is that America is making a whopping great deal about this guy, and ignoring the fact that what the Iraqi extremists did is totally justified given the circumstances. America was treading on thin ice just holding Iraqis in their jails let alone humiliating them, and to be honest, it's about time they got a taste of their own medicine.

They should've treated it all with much more care and instead they were reckless - they got what they deserved, and all this was at the hand of a few people.

America in general is badly represented by no less than 50 complete assholes.

Did you know the Red Cross said that it was more than 60 percent civilians in the prison? Now they're saying it was around 90 percent civilians! That is really screwed up.

-oddguy

Naw, Death, I just loved it cos of Majic's skillful use of sarcasm. Nothing against you or anything.

But I agree, let's get back to the original topic.

EDIT: You crazy kids, speed postin' while I'm typing. Oh well, I still love you.

Then you have much to learn about identifying skill.

This thread is dead and needs closing before it does any more damage to the forum morale. At the end of the day, we should all be discussing this like faithful blood brothers, completely supporting eachother in our likeminded views, not arguing among ourselves about trivial garbage.

Oh come on Death that was nothing what we did. It was a bunch ignorant soldiers who went beyond all what the US military stands for and commited crimes by humiliating those Iraqis. The Iraqi Extremest killed an innocient man because he believed in God and they were ordered to by their superiors or Government because they hate Americans.

There is a huge difference in the way we treat prisoners and the way how the enemy treats their prisoners. It was the soldiers who were un justified and they went to prison for it. Thats a huge difference between us and them. We don't go around killing people for their religious belief.

I have to agree with you there. I hate the fact that people are shunning our entire military system because of the whole prisoner photo thing. It was maybe a dozen or so soldiers doing it, not the whole damn army. We didn't train them to do it. Just a few bad apples.

Grr.

I think this topic is very interesting and would like for it to continue. :)

-oddguy

EDIT: Whoa! More speed posting! :D

Ditto! I love you. :stare:

Never said it was anything that you did. In fact I made a point out of saying that it was a few idiots messing it all up for the rest of America by misrepresenting them and ultimately driving extremists to humilliating and eventually murdering an American.

No Death you said and I qoute America was treading on thin ice just holding Iraqis in their jails let alone humiliating them, and to be honest, it's about time they got a taste of their own medicine.

If that aint anti American then what is? That sounds like that you believe the extremist are doing this out of revenge because of what a few stupid Soldiers did? I hate to tell you it aint like that here in America. We don't think that way and our Troops know it aswell. Those extremist would have murdered that man even if the whole Iraqi abuse thing never happened. Thats the big difference between us and them they want to kill us westerners and they enjoy it.

It looks more to me as if it's the Iraqis who are risking their lives to protect their country. We are the invaders! For christs sake.

And some people WONDER why PA is attacked?!

Why shouldn't be be anti-American? As shown in the above quotes, you are both anti European and anti-Middle Eastern.

Seriously, PA, are you honestly older than 12?

Did I say anywhere that I was HAPPY that America got a taste of its own medicine? No. So don't take it so personally.

I'm not anti-american, you're so obsessively sensitive about that aren't you? Yes it was a generalization, but really the generalization was only toward them actually holding the prisoners, and not which individuals humiliated them. I was suprised that there had been no retaliations up until now.

Esus I'd love to agree with you, because on many points you are very correct, but Iraq was never at risk as a country. The only risk was American heavy handed tactics in removing Saddam (which is all that they needed to do).

The large amount of tanks, bombers, and attack helicopters were unnessacery, since the US army train commandos that could take or capture out the majority of Saddam and his forces with relative ease.

No you dident say it but the context of your wording made me think it. Ok obvieusly we are not going to get anywhere with this arguement. And we obvieously have very different views on this matter. Forget it, its over I am done I don't want this carry on anymore. Forgive and make up I wuv all of you now lets shake hands and stay Odd!:D bye bye!

Whoa! PA is leaving? Who will we fight with?! :p

-oddguy