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Wings of Fire 09-12-2013 10:20 AM

I didn't go into Prometheus expecting a horror movie, neither did I leave believing I had just seen one.

Like I said, it was forced.

Nepsotic 09-12-2013 10:47 AM

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I was the opposite. I vehemently refused to dissect a plot that was clearly going to provide no answers whatsoever.

Except it does provide answers. You just have to look for them.

Wings of Fire 09-12-2013 12:01 PM

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Except it does provide answers. You just have to look for them.

You have to look all the way to wikipedia where it says the blue guy at the start of the film was Jesus Christ. You then stop looking and go cry in a corner.

MA 09-12-2013 01:46 PM

what, really? how fucking stupid.

Nepsotic 09-12-2013 10:17 PM

It's really not like that. Besides, the film itself provides all the answers if you read into it a little. You should watch that video I posted.

Varrok 09-12-2013 11:19 PM

Prometheus *really* is dumb, and sucks.

Slog Bait 09-12-2013 11:44 PM

Varrok confirmed for best debater on OWF

MeechMunchie 09-13-2013 06:46 AM

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Except it does provide answers. You just have to look for them.

I mean real answers. Not a bunch of illogical bullshit that just raises more questions.

MA 09-13-2013 08:16 AM

Varrok has the answers.

Strike Witch 09-13-2013 09:02 PM

I've watched the "explained" video before. It's incredibly half-assed and reaching as fuck. The film is just so incredibly poorly-thought-out.

It's great up until the sex scene, then the whole thing just goes completely to shit right after.

Nate 09-14-2013 03:11 AM

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You have to look all the way to wikipedia where it says the blue guy at the start of the film was Jesus Christ. You then stop looking and go cry in a corner.

Nonononono... The guy at the start of the film would have been the Holy Father. Jesus would have been a different Engineer, what with him being on planet Earth well after humans first evolved.

Mac Sirloin 09-14-2013 10:35 PM

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I mean real answers. Not a bunch of illogical bullshit that just raises more questions.

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Prometheus *really* is dumb, and sucks.

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Nonononono... The guy at the start of the film would have been the Holy Father. Jesus would have been a different Engineer, what with him being on planet Earth well after humans first evolved.

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You have to look all the way to wikipedia where it says the blue guy at the start of the film was Jesus Christ. You then stop looking and go cry in a corner.

Disproved in the commentary on the Blu Ray and in a few interviews with Scott himself. This was a very, very early suggestion for the script that was thrown out but vapid nerds keep expelling anyway. Interview with Scott:
Movies.com: You throw religion and spirituality into the equation for Prometheus, though, and it almost acts as a hand grenade. We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?

RS: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an “our children are misbehaving down there” scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, “Lets’ send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it. Guess what? They crucified him.

At no point does the final product of the film Prometheus include a Jesus alien, nor was it intended to. I am glad it wasn't in the final cut but I think it's a cute little idea the way Scott puts it. It was a competent film and all this 'BUT WHERE ARE THE ANSWERS' talk indicates you either didn't bother with a rewatch or just weren't paying attention the first time around. I could give a shit about Ridley Scott's smug fucking ass but seeing nerds hyperventilate about this movie being bad by basically admitting that they don't get it is really fucking tired and boring at this point. It was a well made movie that pulled off a little bit of high-concept sci-fi in an ostensibly Hollywood way. If you can't recognize this boo hoo for you, learn2movies and stop complaining that it didn't make sense.

I watched Titanic for the first time ever. I had a lot of problems with it, the script especially, but it's one of my girlfriends favorite movies and all the little details she kept telling me about the production really made it fun. The ending almost made me tear up. Alllllmost.

I watched World's End. I think Hot Fuzz, Shaun of the Dead and World's End are just The Expendables for smug NEETs/nerds. Hot Fuzz has a passable climax, the rest is complete fucking tripe. Seriously, irredeemable poorly made trash that is viewed by (North American) 'intellectual' subcultures as clever cinema when in reality it's just low budget repackaged hollywood trash. I cannot stress how much I loathe both these and Doctor Who. Total and complete shit.

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I think the absolute worst part was that action scene two thirds way through where the ship gets invaded and the majority of the cast died.

It just felt so artificial, so 'We need to draw the Alien crowd. Let's do one of these scenes.' From the moment we were introduced to our ragtag bunch of misfits cast I knew where it was going, but still.

You are killing me dude. Killing me.

Strike Witch 09-14-2013 10:56 PM

It's true though, it's extraordinarily half-assed and even comical that they realized they'd basically had nothing really scary and had some big-headed magic teleporting zombie kill half the crew.

Mac Sirloin 09-14-2013 11:17 PM

Really? I think it was timed fairly well, they built up to it with a very 'shit is hitting the fan' vibe right up until Fiefeld-monster shockingly smashes the guy's head in. It demonstrates just how volatile the goo/products of the goo are in a concise and shocking way, eliminating 3 irrelevant unnamed characters in the process. 'Half the crew' is thoroughly incorrect, and if you found nothing prior to that point even remotely unsettling you're desensitized and not in a position to critique it I guess?

Nepsotic 09-15-2013 02:43 AM

I agree with you about Prometheus. It really irritates me that people don't like it because tey didn't understand it. It's not bad storytelling, it's excellent storytelling.
Hot Fuzz and Shaun are great, and I have no idea why you brought up Doctor Who but at the end of the day, it's your opinion and opinions can be fucking wrong.

Strike Witch 09-15-2013 06:41 AM

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if you found nothing prior to that point even remotely unsettling you're desensitized and not in a position to critique it I guess?
Pfft

There was nothing remotely unsettling about a bloaty-headed corpse managing to walk from the alien structure all the way to directly in front of the human advanced starship and assume a stupid sitting pose with nobody at all noticing until it had apparently been sitting there like a retard for some time. Then it gets up and wigs out like an 80s TV-movie psycho.

It was not unsettling.

It was comical.

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It really irritates me that people don't like it because tey didn't understand it.
There was nothing to understand. The Engineers are giant space jerks, the humans were morons, and the movie ends with a bald guy getting raped by a starfish.

Wings of Fire 09-15-2013 06:45 AM

I liked David. We can all agree David was good and the best thing about the movie, right?

Varrok 09-15-2013 09:00 AM

He might be the best thing about the movie, but he certainly won't be good.

Daxter King 09-15-2013 09:36 PM

Talking about Prometheus is tricky, cause there are some real moments that make your head scratch even if you pay attention(Run to the left you dumb bitch), but there are also a lot of complaint thrown out at it that can be remedied by simply paying attention. I personally do not think a movie needs to excel in all ways to be a good movie, Prometheus certainly doesn't have the best writing or acting at times, but the visuals knock it out of the part and I will like it forever because of that. Movie are a visual medium, to ignore that entire aspect of a movie is a little silly. Also, part of the reason the script is so convoluted is that the original script was just too much like an Alien movie for RS, so he had Lindelofleolfolfolfo go over it and basically said, "I want it to be like an alien movie but not too much".



Anyways, I just saw the new Breaking Bad, Oymandius. Best hour of television I have seen.

Slog Bait 09-15-2013 09:59 PM

Visuals are the only reason I've watched Wall-E and District 9 as often as I have.

Well okay, that and sound design.

Daxter King 09-15-2013 10:05 PM

I love Wall-E for all that it is, probably my favorite Pixar film.

Slog Bait 09-15-2013 10:07 PM

It was good, and visually it was fucking beautiful, but the story didn't really pull me in. My current favourite Pixar movie is probably The Incredibles. I could watch that movie for days on end and never tire of it.

Varrok 09-15-2013 11:47 PM

The visuals are nice, but you simply can't say a movie is good just because it looks pretty.

Strike Witch 09-16-2013 12:10 AM

Yeah, Promethius is incredibly beautiful and atmospheric and awe-inspiring but then all the characters completely drop the ball and it just ends up feeling even worse than if the movie was all-bad because there's clearly some actual effort in there that got ruined by fucking stupid writing.

Varrok 09-16-2013 01:52 AM

New Breaking Bad episode... it was.... it was... the best thing I saw on TV series in a long time, and quite possibly ever

MeechMunchie 09-16-2013 07:47 AM

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RS: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an “our children are misbehaving down there” scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, “Lets’ send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it. Guess what? They crucified him.

At no point does the final product of the film Prometheus include a Jesus alien, nor was it intended to. I am glad it wasn't in the final cut but I think it's a cute little idea the way Scott puts it. It was a competent film and all this 'BUT WHERE ARE THE ANSWERS' talk indicates you either didn't bother with a rewatch or just weren't paying attention the first time around. I could give a shit about Ridley Scott's smug fucking ass but seeing nerds hyperventilate about this movie being bad by basically admitting that they don't get it is really fucking tired and boring at this point. It was a well made movie that pulled off a little bit of high-concept sci-fi in an ostensibly Hollywood way. If you can't recognize this boo hoo for you, learn2movies and stop complaining that it didn't make sense.

I watched Titanic for the first time ever. I had a lot of problems with it, the script especially, but it's one of my girlfriends favorite movies and all the little details she kept telling me about the production really made it fun. The ending almost made me tear up. Alllllmost.

I watched World's End. I think Hot Fuzz, Shaun of the Dead and World's End are just The Expendables for smug NEETs/nerds. Hot Fuzz has a passable climax, the rest is complete fucking tripe. Seriously, irredeemable poorly made trash that is viewed by (North American) 'intellectual' subcultures as clever cinema when in reality it's just low budget repackaged hollywood trash. I cannot stress how much I loathe both these and Doctor Who. Total and complete shit.

The lack of close quotes caused me to read all of this as Ridley Scott

The only headscratcher for me was whether the squid baby was actually a hybrid fetus or just a giant mutant sperm.

Mr. Bungle 09-16-2013 09:50 AM

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New Breaking Bad episode... it was.... it was... the best thing I saw on TV series in a long time, and quite possibly ever


It left me speechless, honestly. One of the best episodes of the series.

OANST 09-16-2013 12:21 PM

The Prometheus hate does seem a bit silly. I wasn't that crazy about it, but it wasn't that bad. I only saw it the once, but, I mean, I wasn't like offended or anything by it.

Let's have another Scott Pilgrim fight. That was funnier.

Wings of Fire 09-16-2013 12:24 PM

For me Mac's rant about the Pegg and Frost films go for everything Edgar Wright has ever written.

There.

Varrok 09-16-2013 12:43 PM

I'm surprised that almost none of you are talking about Breaking Bad. I always thought most of you are crazy about the show.

Wings of Fire 09-16-2013 12:47 PM

Ignoring the fact I haven't got past the second episode yet, I'm still reeling from the horrific pun of a title that is 'Ozymandias'.

Varrok 09-16-2013 12:55 PM

What's so punny about it? It's the title of a real poem made about 200 years ago

Wings of Fire 09-16-2013 01:20 PM

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What's so punny about it? It's the title of a real poem made about 200 years ago

'Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.'

That's a line from the poem and I'm sure I don't need to tell you what 'works' in the context of Breaking Bad refers to.

OANST 09-16-2013 02:45 PM

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I'm surprised that almost none of you are talking about Breaking Bad. I always thought most of you are crazy about the show.

I don't have cable.

Daxter King 09-16-2013 06:52 PM

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'Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.'

That's a line from the poem and I'm sure I don't need to tell you what 'works' in the context of Breaking Bad refers to.

You really can't get the context without going through the show, really. I know what you're thinking it is, and it isn't that.

Wings of Fire 09-16-2013 07:14 PM

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You really can't get the context without going through the show, really. I know what you're thinking it is, and it isn't that.

No, I'm pretty sure I know the gist of it from the AV Club's twitter feed. I know what the poem is about after all.

What I'm saying is there's no way in hell that pun wasn't intentional.

Strike Witch 09-16-2013 07:26 PM

What's breaking bad anyway

Dynamithix 09-16-2013 08:58 PM

I also watched the new episode. It was mental, especially the beginning.

Varrok 09-16-2013 11:35 PM

I still don't get the 'pun', unfortunately.

Strike Witch 09-17-2013 12:55 AM

Ozymandias

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.