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Crashpunk

11-20-2011 02:29 AM

If anyone has been following this series, The new one was shown at Minecon.

It was epic. really epic.

Wil	11-20-2011 05:22 AM

That Minecon video was horrifically embarrassing. Was the whole event like that?

Crashpunk

11-20-2011 10:06 AM

Parts were. Its understandable though. The Yogscast interview with Notch was really awkward, but when you think about it you are talking to the guy who created Minecraft, It would be awkward.

AlexFili

11-20-2011 12:09 PM

I thought MineCon was quite funny. Don't forget that these are not industry professionals, they are just ordinary people.

If you play Minecraft, could you please complete my short survey? I'm doing some university research about the potential of using Minecraft in teaching or collaborative capacities. Thank you! http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XNLH6M6

dripik

11-20-2011 12:25 PM

I tried elaborating on the uses of video games in language teaching on multiple occasions at uni. I don't think I was ever taken very seriously. Anyway, sure, I'll help you out there.

Havoc

11-21-2011 02:42 AM

T-nex

11-21-2011 03:09 AM

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I tried elaborating on the uses of video games in language teaching on multiple occasions at uni. I don't think I was ever taken very seriously. Anyway, sure, I'll help you out there.

Often, it's very much about how you present the idea.

AlexFili

11-21-2011 10:16 AM

Thanks for completing my survey.

There is an interesting website designed to help schools with setting up Minecraft accounts. http://minecraftedu.com/

According to the MinecraftEdu team, if you can arrange for the institution to purchase the game copies, a deal with Mojang will be made so that the game can be used for educational purposes at a reduced price.

I think this is a great step forward. It's more accessible than Second Life, less laggy, less money-focussed. There's also a self titled "Minecraft Teacher" who is trying to use Minecraft in his lessons. http://minecraftteacher.net/

Crashpunk

11-21-2011 12:09 PM

Notch Vs. Yogscast

Shit is sturring.
The Yogscast and Mojang have fallen out.

So, with this shitstorm of Notch vs. Yogscast, I thought I would weigh in my own opinion on it, such that it is.

I'm not sure that an "f-bomb" is the sole reason for Notch wanting to not work with them anymore.

Yogscast was invited as a special guest to MineCon and was even given their own panel. What I assumed, and what I believed that Mojang assumed when they invited them to a panel, was that they would speak for an hour (hour and a half?) about their Youtube videos, podcasts and the like. They would talk about their experiences, making videos, how they got so popular, etc. Instead, what we seemed to get was an hour of them showing videos of popular builds done using Minecraft. A whole team was up on stage and it seemed only Simon/Lewis spoke.

In addition, the entire team acted like a group of self-entitled pricks the entire weekend. I worked as one of the volunteer staff that weekend and they demanded to be let in to the Scrolls/Cobalt play test area before the rest of the crowd was. We allowed them to enter for 5 minutes, as we were trying to keep to a schedule, but they created a big stink when they were asked to leave so the people who paid good money to come to MineCon could play the games too. They acted like they were the Kings of Minecraft simply because they are minor celebrities in the Youtube world.

Adding on to that, they offered to sign things for fans, in the same vein as Mojang did on Friday night. Mojang was highly classy. They talked to fans, signed whatever they wanted, and all of them, despite being exhausted, were always friendly to whatever fan wanted a word with them, even if it was just to send them away. They even signed more for the ones that were cut off in line Friday night on Saturday. Yogscast, on the other hand, passed out tickets to people who wanted an autograph during their own panel! When fans complained that they couldn't get an autograph, their response was along the lines of, "True fans would have skipped the panel to get the autograph."

Finally, on a more personal experience. My friends and I entered the main hall right after the Yogscast panel to get good seats for the closing ceremony. The Styrofoam sign that said "Yogscast" that was slapped over the "Activate Minecraft" sign on the lever on stage during their panel was being removed by the stage manager after their panel, presumably to be thrown away. My friend wanted the sign as a keepsake from MineCon, and the sign was given to her. After the closing ceremony, one of their members hunted us down to get back this sign. She used to be a huge Yogscast fan, but this experience has soured her.

In Short: The Yogscast team didn't appreciate the gesture that was given to them to be invited as a special panel to MineCon and they treated it with almost indifference. They acted like it was Mojang that should be appreciative of them gracing MineCon with their presence.

Notch may have blamed the fallout between Mojang and Yogscast on an "f-bomb" in front of kids, but I think it was more than just that. I think that Yogscast wasn't what they were hoping they would be. Mojang should probably have reviewed what Yogscast was going to be like more than they did, but MineCon had many issues like that. It wasn't perfect, and it was a bit sloppy, but I don't think Mojang should suffer all the blame for issues with Yogscast.

Just my two cents.

EDIT: For those of you who want proof, the only proof I have is my staff shirt. I can take a photo of it when I get home.

http://twitter.com/#!/search/Yogscast

Apprently Simon and Lewis were acting like real jerks at MineCon which pissed off Notch and the rest of Mojang. This is big stuff, Its trending on Twitter and everything.

we are about to embark on a 24 hour journey home so will officially respond when back in the UK - Lewis

EDIT: Yogscast have lost 100,000 Subscribers, No matter They still have over 1 Million subs

Havoc

11-21-2011 01:37 PM

Never really liked their stuff anyway.

AlexFili

11-21-2011 01:53 PM

I think this is a reality check for everyone who might have thought MineCon would be squeaky clean and without incident. The Yogscast guys didn't seem all that bad on stage. Maybe it's just a case of arrogance or getting too excited that made them act that way. Swearing in front of children is not cool and not professional.

As for Yogscast being banned forever, well... nothing is forever. If they clean up their act and apologise to Notch, they may have a second chance one day. Regardless, next year's MineCon will be stricter and kept under more control. Hopefully they can get the Minecraft Dad on board. He presents family entertainment that everyone can enjoy.

Havoc

11-21-2011 02:16 PM

Of course it's arrogance. They went from a random gaming Youtube channel (with it's roots in WoW of all games) to a fanbase of over a million people. Minecraft wouldn't be where it is today without them and they know it.

That and it being in Vegas, I'm 100% sure that alcohol played part in this. Not saying they were drunk off their asses but I'm sure they had a few drinks during the day.

dripik

11-21-2011 02:26 PM

Minecraft wouldn't be where it is today without them and they know it.

Not to mention the OWF MC server - one of their early videos that someone shared here was a direct influence for me starting experimenting with server creation back then.

I haven't seen much footage of Minecon, probably just the Notch interview, which I found extremely unprofessional. I mean, before this they did interviews with game developers and other people who are related to gaming, and those were quite good. Kinda strange how the quality plummets when it's the creator of the game that is the base of one of their most successful series. I'd pull myself together and come up with some proper interview questions if I had to do something like this, and not discuss Skyrim and stuff. Oh well, we shall wait and see what they have to say about this.

Crashpunk

11-21-2011 10:40 PM

I think Notch doesn't understand there sence of humour. The boys are so sarcasitc to each other and other people and I think personally this is all of a bit of an over-reation.
on the other hand I can see this happenering, They must feel pretty good if there little YouTube channel has become a million sub strong. The whole thing about swaring is I think more Simon's doing. Lewis is way less arrogant then Simon and The rest of the Yogscast didn't even get a say on stage. (which is stupid and Simon and Lewis are taking all the fame)

And the interview with Notch was pretty awful but I think its the first time they met him and I think they were a little startstuck.

Personally I think Simon and Lewis know they were in the wrong and are feeling pretty crap about it. We don't know what really happened though. What pisses me off is people on titter unsubscribing to the yogscast because they completely beileve Notch's tweets. Y'know they might be a chance that this is a joke or Notch is just trolling. The Yogscast haven't even had a say yet.

Whatever happens I know they will say sorry and I will continue watching and loving The Yogscast.

T-nex

11-22-2011 12:02 AM

Huh? Minecraft is where it is cos of Yogscast? I thought it was the other way around. People started liking their minecraft videos a lot and thus they got popular cos of it.

if anything, it was more of a mutual benefit for both Yogscast and Mojang.

but I honestly never liked Yogscast. Ive said this many times, lol... But their stuff is so obviously scripted and pre-planned. Like I don't mind planned stuff, but it just seems so forced and awkward when I watch them.

I liked OMFGcata's Minecraft vids more... Way more genuine and funny.

Wings of Fire

11-22-2011 12:22 AM

How juvenile.

dripik

11-22-2011 12:27 AM

Ive said this many times, lol... But their stuff is so obviously scripted and pre-planned.

Their series did not start out being scripted: you'll notice that it was originally a how-to sort of thing, a spontaneous introduction to the game. Then Israphel and the rest popped up, along with a story, which obviously needed some kind of scripting. Also, they do a lot of videos where they add their commentary to pre-recorded gameplay footage (see their Fallout:NV or Skyrim playthrough), so they obviously have some knowledge in advance about the stuff happening in the video.

But let's not turn this thread into a Yogscast discussion.

Phylum

11-22-2011 12:31 AM

Some of their stuff is really quite good. I applaud them for realising that watching someone else play Minecraft for hours is boring and they're doing some really cool things with SoI.

I agree with Joe that this is all stupid. There's way too much needless melodrama about the whole thing.

Wil	11-22-2011 12:51 AM

I think it is mostly misunderstanding.

Okay. So I'm not here to stir the pot, but I do want to set a couple of the facts straight. I am not directly connected to Yogscast. But I was the staff member who wrangled them from one place to the next (wearing a black fedora).

First, to @amazingorigami - if you are, in fact, the person who had the sign in FedEx, then thank you again for giving it back to the Yogscast crew. My other teammate took it directly up to them and he said there were cheers of joy that we were able to find it. I had the sign custom made by FedEx earlier that morning for the event. I completely apologize if you felt I tried to rip it out of your bag. I was merely trying to help peel it away carefully. If I had known it left gummy stuff in your pack, I would have found you a second bag as a replacement. Again, thank you for returning the sign. You were super awesome about it and could have said no. But you gave it up without hesitation and with a smile. My apologies again that you ended up with a sticky bag. :

As for the Scrolls/Cobalt. Yogscast made no demands. We politely asked the crew from Mojang if they could record a quick segment about the game, and they agreed it could be done before the doors opened. It is accurate there was a request for 5 minutes, but then a couple of the Mojang team offered to demo the games to them. When the doors opened, the Mojang team decided to continue the demo rather than ask the Yogscast folks to move out of the way. There was no stink about being asked to leave. In fact, when one of the other staff mistakenly took the mouse away from the Mojang team member who was demoing scrolls, they accepted it and moved on. (They paid to come to Minecon just like everyone else btw)

As for the tickets: I numbered them. I handed them out. They were not handed out before the panel ended. And they were handed out in the expo hall - right next to where the autographs were being done. In fact, I waited until after the panel was complete, and folks moved into the expo hall so they would have an equal opportunity. Unfortunately, the expo hall was scheduled to close at 4p, and the Yogscast team were given a very strict cutoff. The line of "True fans would have skipped the panel to get the autograph" is inaccurate. They wanted everyone to be able to enjoy the panel.

It was a good show. I'm a little disappointed there is this much hate and discontent going about without folks knowing the whole story.

And also.

Look at Lomadia's (Hannah's) post in response:

"I find the words 'work with' to be very interesting in this - you will see why when Lewis gets home and makes his v-log of Minecon.

He used masturbation jokes in our videos, but then criticises us for using old footage with swearing in, when we have limited resources to edit the footage in Vegas, and also neither Mojang nor IGN gave us any guidelines as to what we were and weren't allowed to do - the people in the panel and on the livestream chose to come and see us - so you'd think they'd know swearing is likely.

We did about six hours of signings and photos in general - no kid or parent complained to us about swearing.

I won't say more as Lewis' v-log will expose everything in wonderfully high definitioned rage, so give us a few days to get our thoughts in order. "

edit:It appears she has edited out a chunk of it leaving only the first line

T-nex

11-22-2011 01:08 AM

I just think people are silly for saying that Mojang got to where it is cos of Yogscast. I stand by the notion that it was a symbiotic relationship.

dripik

11-22-2011 01:27 AM

They give the game publicity and feedback of some sorts, and they get a good amount of viewers, part of whom might even donate money for their efforts. So yeah, symbiosis might be the word for it.

I feel a thread-split coming up soon.

Havoc

11-22-2011 03:28 AM

I think that many people who play Minecraft today first saw it on Youtube, be it with the Yogscast or some other Minecraft series (I heard of it because of that Xcave dude). Minecraft on their own, without any help from Youtube, wouldn't have half the amount of players.

They got big of each other, but I feel it started out at Yogscast and their Let's Play video.

T-nex

11-22-2011 03:43 AM

nah... I think people talked about it before too.

Also, Yogscast is replaceable. Honestly, EVERYTHING in this world becomes popular from mouth-to-mouth and ads. But ads only get you so far. You need people you trust to tell you that a product is good. Yogscast did this. But so did OMFGcata and many others. I mean.. I bought Minecraft cos of OMFGcata. The only difference is that Yogscast got to be the most popular of those channels in regards to Minecraft vids. Apparently they were the ones providing the best or at least the most focused content. I also think their timing was right. They hit Minecraft when a lot of people knew of it, but also a lot of people to come. Who hadn't but would. And the fact that they focused on Minecraft so much, and they were actually funny, people loved them.

But the thing is... Had it not been them, it would be someone else. Or maybe they created some chain reaction, but by now, they ARE replaceable. All games need people like them to review the games and show them off. When you see a person having fun with a given item, you start wanting it as well. So youtubers are GREAT advertisement.

But that's just youtubers in general.

But it's undeniable that Notch created a great game, that's really fun. And fun things spread around naturally. It's inevitable that Minecraft would at least have a decent fanbase. It's not youtube that made the games fun for me at least. They just helped me with the initial desire to get it.

And I dunno if this should be split. It IS general minecraft discussion after all ... x_x But if you guys really want to...

Wil	11-22-2011 05:30 AM

The mods and LPs are a huge part of the Minecraft community. I see no need for a split.

dripik

11-22-2011 06:08 AM

Certainly. But it was mainly the 'Mojang vs Yogscast' case that has been going on for a while, and I was concerned.

On topic, have you guys noticed that SSP makes the new XP-collecting sound right, but it is the normal "picking something up" sound in SMP?

T-nex

11-22-2011 06:16 AM

But Dripik.... Mojang vs Yogscast IS on topic x_x It's a minecraft discussion, and you cant really say there was that much of a discussion before that anyway. Just short bursts of thoughts on minecraft stuff. I don't think the debate will take over anyway. Ive already said all I wanted to say.

Anyway, i REALLY miss the old chests... You could use em as counter and cupboards in the kitchen and all :(

Crashpunk

11-22-2011 07:02 AM

What confused me is why are the chests smaller? They could of been the same size but still opened up.

Wil	11-22-2011 07:24 AM

https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/sta...75994471124992

Just heard from Simon and Lewis, they got back to Gatwick airport and were met by a crazed Notch supporter who repeatedly insulted them, IRL

Lol.

STM	11-22-2011 07:29 AM

This is hardly fair, I imagine even Notch himself isn't as worked up about this as so many fanboys and fangirls are. The fact is in his interview with them he personally made an 'I fucked you mum' joke, which was laughed off, he also talks about how funny wanking is. So I don't think he can be very pissed off with them saying fuck twice or thrice or how ever many times it was.

Cor.

Wil	11-22-2011 07:43 AM

The children who sat on the Yogscast panel and went to the Yogscast signing were Yogscast fans - they knew what to expect. The swearing can only be a matter of personal taste - whether you think swearing in a given setting is appropriate or not.

It seems to be more about how the Yogscast behaved as 'divas'. There are conflicting reports from loads of people who were there. I'm betting it was mostly misunderstanding Lewis's and Simon's style and humour.

MeechMunchie

11-22-2011 07:45 AM

They tend to act like smug ponces in the name of comedy for their videos, it wouldn't surprise me if they did it in real life as well.

AlexFili

11-22-2011 07:54 AM

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For me, the X Cave videos pretty much introduced me to it. Then I started watching the paulsoaresjr videos such as Man VS Minecraft (you should check it out if you haven't already) and Minecraft Dad. I think it's a mutual thing. Minecraft became popular partly because of youtube but also word of mouth and screenshots.

For anyone who'd like to check out some texture packs, I recommend DokuCraft and the DefScape high definition packs which are really cool and work with 1.0.0! The DefScape pack supports random monster patch (so you can have cows/creepers/pigs that have different skins!)

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv...vatjo1_500.png
(DokuCraft texture pack)

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv...vatjo1_500.png
(16x DefScape texture pack)

Manco

11-22-2011 12:24 PM

Just look at how awful the yogs are

STM	11-22-2011 02:05 PM

Wow, they're being right cunts!

<3 Yogscast.

Crashpunk

11-22-2011 11:07 PM

I support the Yogscast, I do actually believe this was just a misunderstanding of "British Humour"

I was introduced to the Yogscast by a friend (It was Scott, You remember him right Wil?) The lastest episode was the one where they just found the temple in there world and they had about 4,000 Subscribers. I've been following the series ever since.

Oh yeah I borght Minecraft because of the Yogscast. (okay and Seananners)

Phylum

11-22-2011 11:17 PM

And is that a reason to support them if they're wrong?

I wish everyone would just shut the fuck up about this. We don't know what happened. There have been mixed reports of events and I doubt the truth will ever be known.

Wil	11-23-2011 12:51 AM

Sure I remember, Scott. I troll him on Formspring from time to time. I was introduced to the Yogscast on the Oddworld Forums, probably a lot earlier in this very thread.

Crashpunk

11-24-2011 01:08 AM

Just to end the debate between Yogscast and Notch, here's the Yogscast responce (Finally)

We’re sure many of you have seen or heard about Notch’s post-Minecon tweets, which were not what we expected to see when we got off the plane from Minecon – we’ve had a sleep now and recovered a bit, so this is our response:

We are very disappointed by these tweets from someone we admire and respect. We can understand that it was the morning after the deadmau5 party and Notch was very tired, but we are still fairly upset. The quotes and actions that Notch attributed to us were not said by us or published anywhere by us. Therefore we are surprised and confused about where this stuff has come from - especially since the only time we spoke to Notch was at the interview.

Regarding dropping f-bombs at the show - we apologise for this, but had rehearsed the whole show in front of the organisers and half of Mojang and they had approved it. We were given no guidelines or oversight in the weeks leading up to Minecon and there were ample opportunities at the rehearsal for Mojang to inform us of problems, such as being careful about swearing, which is pretty common in our youtube videos.

Out of all the tweets that Notch sent out, most hurtful was the accusation that we told a kid to “fuck off” and crossed out another signature – which is something we would never ever do.

We loved spending time with fans and were overwhelmed by how many people were there to support us and give us gifts. Simon has enough Jaffas to last him until the middle of 2012. The problem was that Minecon is a new show and organisation was pretty bad, and when we came to the scheduled signing sessions, nothing had been set up for us and we had to scrabble around to fetch tables, ropes and pens ourselves. With some younger kids around, it was our priority to make sure everything was safe, as we have seen injuries in the past.

This lack of organization contributed to long and confused lines and we were heartbroken to have to turn away so many people when we ran out of time. Simon can only handle a certain amount of time between cups of coffee and nicotine tablets before collapsing, but we made a real effort to get out there and managed to do about six hours of signing. Although we were frustrated, we would never have treated fans in the way that Notch suggested we did.

We were also unhappy and surprised that a week before Minecon, Mojang informed us that they had sold the rights to livestream our show and content to IGN – they hadn’t asked us, they hadn’t spoken to us – they just sold it. Because of this, we nearly cancelled the trip, but decided to say “balls to it” and come anyway, because we felt we owed it to the fans. Hannah actually spoke with IGN directly earlier, and they agreed to take their video down and let us put the videos up on our channel, so a big thanks to them for that.

We were not paid, and never demanded to be paid. We asked for some support, and Mojang said they could offer us two hotel rooms for the duration of the stay and a small boardroom to rest in. We spent a huge amount of money on flights, rooms, food and equipment for the 10 people that we brought along to support us, act as security, make videos/posts and generally help out. We also gave away 100 special t-shirts for free.

The reason we came to Minecon is because we wanted to thank you guys and meet the community that we love and are a part of. We couldn’t have gotten to where we are now without you guys, and so we decided to eat the costs of attending and just have fun. This is why we spent our panel giving a voice to loads of talented people that couldn’t attend but have made Minecraft what it is today.

We’re not gonna stop making videos, not going to stop loving you guys, and hopefully we’ll see you at more gaming conventions in the future.

Lewis & Simon & Hannah

EDIT: Video linking to this post http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HddMANh3Xis see, it is really me after all. Hi mother!

AlexFili

11-24-2011 01:48 AM

It seems like all this is another case of miscommunication. Let's hope Notch keeps things less public in future. That was embarrassing for him.

Crashpunk

11-24-2011 07:08 AM

He was tired and/or drunk after the Deadmou5 gig.

Anyway, You might of heard but Valve have given Notch an exclusive, One of a Kind All-Class TF2 Hat called 'Top Notch'
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/image..._Top_Notch.png
I first though Minecraft was coming to Steam and this was a Promo. Turns out it wasn't.
I guess if they did make a promo, It would be a Steve Head.

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