Yeah, but your idea is for a level, while my idea is for a thread to post level variations onto for others to download and try. Your level idea could be made, and then posted on my eventual thread for everyone to download and enjoy! :)

It's not hard to make a thread, so you will do it, but now mah boi, CUT THE SPAM!

I already suggested that posts back Jango but no one cares because all my posts are too long. Boo.

On a more related note, I'm working on a guide on how to change .cam files for Oddysee (XP only, unless Paul/LIJI/whoever decides on making something more user friendly).

Great! You make awesome guides, Chubfish.

Also, I like it that your posts are long; because they have lots of information! :)

Once Paul has finished his next editor version, I will make a new thread in the Fan Corner called: 'Level variations thread: Post and download variations here!'. Hope everyone will use it. :P

Chubfish, If you want to be user-friendly buy mac or use linux (Winshit must die!!!)

lismati,
Chubfish means a more user-friendly oddworld editor.

I think he actually means a more user friendly AO cam editor since the old school tool I released years ago is command line only.

I will make it easier to replace CAM images using the editor, not sure if I'll have that done by the next version or not though..

Edit: Screen shot of how the new object xml will be, I've opted for each one in its own file because having everything in one massive xml file becomes hard to read. This list contains all used AO objects.

Awesome! :)

So when is the next editor release likely to be?

As I've said before sometime before xmas, but can't say when since I have limited free time. I may have to drop some features to make sure I get one done before xmas though :p

The .cam stuff is working on my PC and I have Windows 7.

Exactly what I mean Paul, the command line only tool is fine to work with for people who have asked about it but it's out of the way for everyone else.

I like the new objects list, looks good!

Oddman360, it probably varies. I have had no success on my Vista/7 machines but on XP it's flawless; about 3 years ago, I had an "Abe in Green Hill Zone" thing I was trying to make.

Seems there is no collision detection or interaction with sligs vs paramites, can't even shot them! :(

Im not 100% sure but Paramite is not maybe enough tall to get shot. :fuzsad: Like when mudokons are washing there by crouching they are shootable. When you shout 'Look out' then they come bit shorther and slig's bullet dont harm mudokon's cause bullet goes past.
:)

I see what you mean, but the slig and the paramite seem to be about the same size.. you can see the bullets going over the paramite too. I guess one way to be sure is to start shooting and then use its_me_your_father.

Edit: Take a look at the screen shot, they really won't die ;)

Coulnd't you just make a combination with two variables? If we know what variable is responsible for the death of a paramite and whats the behaivor of the bullets, it should be possible to shoot them. ; )

A flying slig should see the scrabs and paramites as abe and chase + kill it.
A slig should see the scrabs and paramites as abe and kill it.
A scrab should see a paramite as abe and kill it.
A greeter should see the scrabs and paramites as abe and kill it.
A greeter should see a slog as abe and kill it.
A scrab should see a slig and greeter as abe and kill it.
A paramite should see a slig and greeter as abe and kill it.

I like seeing screenshots like that :) makes me happy at the amount of progress lol

None of these things are possible unless you hack the game exe, so unless you feel like reverse engineering all the AI functions and finding a place to add some new ones hand written in assembly then forget it ;)

Edit: Note.. not possible IF it doesn't just already happen, I suspect a greeter will attempt to kill anything that touches its beams.

Whats more left?

Sorry??

I mean how much is left to discover/reverse engineering in abe's exoddus exe file.

All of it because I've never looked at that and don't plan on looking at it either.

Wow Paul!

I'm glad about how much you've progressed with the editor! :)

EDIT: I've just typed my thread up on MSWord, so as soon as your next version is complete Paul, my thread (Level variations thread: Post + download new/edited levels here!) will be up in the Fan Corner, and everyone can upload their edited levels onto it for others to enjoy! :p

Incorrect, greeters will not kill Sligs, so I believe they're hardcoded for Abe and other mudokons.

Also Paul, will your next editor version have a grid-lock feature like LIJI's? Because with your current one, it is really difficult to get things into the right place.

And another thing Paul: Will your editor have the objects named? Because with your current one it is difficult to tell what each square actually is.

I'll add these things eventually yeah, can't promise they will all be in the next version though. Also it depends exactly what you mean by "named".

I've updated collision item stuff to draw an arrow head in the direction its facing, which was a mission because its been a long time since I've done trig :(

But anyway it will allow you go crazy making slopes and such (who knows how the game engine will handle that though).

Oh wow, nice lol, sounds pretty buggy though!

Actually I think the collision data is rectangles not lines...

Good news. :)

What I mean by 'named', is that if I click on an object on your editor (ie: a red box), then will it tell me what the object is? Because a lot of the objects on your current editor say 'Name: Unknown'.

I'm 99% sure its lines, check out the attachment (path of a bomb) ;)


Yeah I've named 45 of 95 items for AO, AE items will be done much later (or you can do it yourself in the next version by editing the XML files).

Oh, I really was wondering how paths were working! I never would have guessed they were collision data, I've already came to the conclusion that Flying Sligs didn't have paths because of that! :O

But something still seems wrong about them being lines – It would mean the bomb would be moving zig-zag in the vertical part, while in the game it actually moves straight. It probably will need some experimenting...

Have you done any progress documenting the collision item types? I also wonder what the undocumented bytes mean, they might have something to do with paths too.

No progress on collision types yet, tons of stuff to do :(

This scrab appears to get suck while chanting..

Ahh Paul, that is a glitch in the game, but I thought it was only possible on the PS1 version. If you chant and are in front of the Scrab (obviously you would be on a higher ledge) and it is one space away from a wall, it can get stuck; kinda useful if you're masochistic and want to complete the game by rolling or something.

How is Abe still alive with all that poisonous gas on the screen?

He doesn't look tremenously alive to me.

I hope you figure this out guys. i've always wanted to see Scrabs and Paramites in the same screen.

It's cool to see Scrab's and Paramites in same screen (sorry for repeating Crashpunk's comment)!
Soon when editor is released im gonna do same styled screens like in Abe's Oddysee Manual :)

Timer Rupturefarms levels would be epic.

Like what happened in the boiler and glukkon kill.

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/3008/62775372.png

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5297/59850303.png

So Paul, with your new version, I can make timer levels too with gas?

Yeah you can add a "death clock" object anywhere, too bad the time is hard coded to 2 mins though :|

But it should be possible to allow the player to pause the time with a lever and then have an invisible switch turn it back on, possibly you can make it reset to 2 mins..

And as expected the paramites and scrabs don't interact with each other and sligs can't shoot them (as with paramites).

And finally adding an undocumented object will not be as simple as you would expect, as any bad default values will cause the object to either not work, work in some crazy way (i.e uber fast meat saw that never moves) or just plain old crash the game.