Oh OK, seems weird you guys argue about smoking but you can fuck other people quite happily while you're apart. Maybe that's just me, I'm not hip as the kids say these days.

How gone is he? Like overseas on deployment gone? Or just home during the week gone?

You're greener than grass, shut up before someone punches you in the face.

You're TWENTY. Get a grip, dude; most people don't start feeling the (p/m)aternal tug until they're approaching 30. And many guys don't really want kids until their partner talks them in to it and they don't feel paternal until they're actually holding their newborn.

I sincerely, sincerely hope that your doctor tells you to grow up and stop acting so idiotic.

So you'll never feel the paternal tug because you don't feel it yet?

Well I've woke up this morning with no hangover :D

I've read though my posts pretty much remember what I wrote happening.

Still anoyed that I can't get this crap off my jacket still...................

Actually, I really want this, I really fucking do and you saying that I'm idiotic for thinking that I don't want kids is dickish. So fuck you.

Children fucking sicken me if you want the gods honest truth and to think about having kid that's totally dependent on me makes me sick. I never want kids and I firmly believe that I'll never, ever want them. Fuck, I can barely stand other peoples children. All that fucking baby talk, feeding, cleaning, teaching and whatever... I couldn't be fucking bothered with it so drop the fucking subject. I don't want to fucking talk about it anymore.

Use Akuel, it's better!

Hear hear!

That and I'm doing my part for the good of the planet by not putting another human being on this planet. Small step, but the environment starts with yourself. If people would just focus on that it would do the world a lot better instead of this focus on CO2.

If I do ever find myself wanting kids I'll adopt, thank you very much. Plenty of kids, even newborns, who need a good home and who would just become another loop in the system if I were to decide to have my own kid.

I never want kids.

Thankfully I won't get any unless I go out of my way to fill out some forms :p

My ex said that if we were together that he wanted to adpot, which frightened the life out of me, of course it's nice to give somebody a good life that really needs it but I just don't want to do all of the responsibilites to raise a child.

Thank goodness my current lover hates kids as much as me and we never want any :D

Fucking this, if I ever do feel the need to have a child, as I mentioned before, I'll adopt one and Havoc just fucking put down my exact reasoning for it.

Yeah, fucking and stuff.

You are a mad internet person and need to relax :)

edit: i would support nate in saying why you shouldn't do the vasectomy thing so soon but it's nothing you've heard before. All i'm going to say is I know a lot of people that regret something that would stick with them forever as soon as they got it.

Do whatever the fuck you want Ridg, while I stand that vasectomy is perhaps not a good idea at a young age as yours, if it's want you want go for it, but yeh, freeze some semen just in case.

Since most of the concluding thread has been split, let's get back ontopic.

Hygiene downstairs... are you bothered about cleaning yourself, or making sure your partner is cleaned?

I was oblivious to this until WoF told me otherwise, vaginas are horrid smelling unless kept in nice condition.

Discuss.

Of course you have to clean yourself downstairs or you get smegma and smelly ball sack syndrome. I don't think there's a discussion there.

I don't clean myself downstairs. I clean myself in the bathroom.

I don't think you're idiotic for thinking that you don't want kids. I think you're idiotic for undergoing surgery for a potentially permanent procedure when there are plenty of simpler methods of contraception.

While it's all well and good to say you would just adopt a kid if you change your mind, the odds are that you'd prefer your own kid in that scenario.

And I think it's none of your god-damn business. Maybe I want it to be permanent? Maybe that's the whole fucking point of going for a procedure that permanently stops you having children?

How can you say you'd never want kids? How can you know that you never will?

If you want kids you will want them to be your own.

Trust me when I say that adoption sounds a hell of a lot more appealing to me than conceiving does. And to be honest, I don't see myself wanting to ever have them, they disgust me. Also, saying that I want to have kids in the future isn't going to make it so.

Saying you don't want kids in the future won't make it so, either.

Just bear in mind that it's permanent and there's every chance that you may want your own kids in the future.

As I said earlier on, I canceled the appointment with the doctor because we had a giant bust up about the entire thing, she felt so strongly against it that she nearly called quits on the relationship so I had no choice but to call it off. I said to her that I'll wait but if she called it off over me not wanting kids then I'll have nothing holding me back from getting the operation carried out. I will go for it then.

If I do regret having this done then, hey, lesson learned. I'll just get it reversed despite the success chances. This is my decision and I really don't appreciate anybody telling me otherwise, I really don't. So don't think for a second that whatever anyone here says to me, hell, what anyone else says to me, is going to make me change my mind. I've put it on hold and that's the compromise that I've reached, even though I still feel like I should go for it. For that matter, why do you even care? It's not as if you know me personally.

It bothers me that people are prepared to make potentially permanent decisions without thinking about how they may feel in the future. I don't actually give a fuck if you do it or not.

yeah, screw people giving advice on a potentially permanent operation

Only 30% of men who had the vasectomy reversed had children.

Totally true, are condoms and the pill together such a hard task?

I have a mental image of a writhing duvet with a white cable coming out of the side.

Christian.

I clean my genitals, yes. It'd be hard not to since I clean the rest of my body.

I also give it all a trim once in a while with scissors. I'm too much of a wuss to put a razor near that delicate area.

Drunken sex is awesome!!!!!

Last time I did it I fell on the floor. I was being top and just literally stopped cumming so I stood up. Being pissed out of your mind and still in the middle of an orgasm doesen't give you much stability....................

I always keep it clear down there using a razor :p

If you shave you get stubble. Stubble chafes and prickles.

I do not want prickly balls.