Second verse, same as the first....

As Oddguy states in the intelligent Oddworld thread, what we might call a terrorist, similair thinkers might call a freedom fighter. As for rebuilding civilization, I know for a fact that we don't have a working one to Emulate. Come on; Senseless mugging, killing, devastating wars and mental illness were all but unknown in unaffected "primitive" peoples. These things are often explained away with some glib comment like "that's the price of progress" as if the idea of becoming civilized is so great a pull that we sacrifice sustainability (of ourselves and "our" resources) for it.

And seriously, the people directly responsible for 911--though from similair countries of origin--had all been living in the US despite our knowledge of semi-legal or illegal activities for some time. How does where someone thinks an idea up become a target for reciprocating hatred? The PEOPLE of afghanistan are not the ones who bombed the twin towers, yet WE ARE the people who bombed them. Do we blow up the Una-bombers friends and family? Would we attack france or spain if one of their terrorist groups went international? It's asinine. Symptomatic of the sick minds and disgusting priorities our culture helps create.

But maybe Jacob was joking.... Humour on the forums is very different from real life.

'The PEOPLE of afghanistan are not the ones who bombed the twin towers, yet WE ARE the people who bombed them. Do we blow up the Una-bombers friends and family? Would we attack france or spain if one of their terrorist groups went international? It's asinine. Symptomatic of the sick minds and disgusting priorities our culture helps create.'

And with that taken into account, i still think we should wipe them out. They're unevolved. They stone people. It'd be better and nicer if they were all destroyed and then rebuilt. Better houses. Better people. A better enviroment.

This isn't about who bombed who. It's about making the world pretty.

Or we can make lake Afganistan and Lake Iraq.

All well and good, I suppose. But then the question is: Which environment do you like better? Native, or Industrial? And that's being covered in a different thread.

Personally I think that as Thorou said, the secret is to "simplify, simplify" in which case primitive peoples would be better off. Or we could destroy EVERYONE, and make the world a whole lot less complicated.
Better houses: subjective; Better people: subjective; Better environment; Objective. But a better environment is a highly diversified ecosystem based on checks and balances. Not possible in a place wherein the "checks" come in the form of bombs from foreign invaders. On a side note, Thorou was a punk who just happened to have a few good ideas.

You're a wierd dude Jacob. But that's cool.

You're looking far too much into it. Wipe out Afghanistan, Iraq and other places that when you think of them you think "Bleh, wouldn't like to live their.". I don't mind what happens after that. Make a beautiful landscape of a land. Build skyscrapers. Build themeparts. I don't care. Just get rid of people with beards...

Plus, we're not going to lose out on culture. We have atleast 10-20% of them living over here so it's not as if we're commiting genocide. We're just making the world a prettier place.

What is it with you and beards Jacob. They're just beards.

A beard is a common indicator of evilness.

Guy with beard = evil.

The length of it determines the amount of evilness.

1 cm = 14.57% evilness (approximately)

Saying we won't lose a culture because we have people of a particular descent stored safely away seems ill-informed. Culture has nothing to do with one's DNA and everything to do with one's beliefs, rituals, way of life, etc. etc.... Part of the reason we're in a bind is because converting or destroying a culture by any means necessary leads to nothing but poverty, bloodshed and anger. A situation which breeds people who would advocate change. "Activists" in other words, some of whom could be militant enough to be called terrorists.

What if the Nazis had won and exterminated all the Jews? Would black people have been far behind? And what would become of a society--imagine--that had destroyed all ethnicities other than their own? The Nazi ideal of an aryan world comes true and then what? Forget the past and pretend that everything was legal and justified. Destroy those who oppose us and cross their names off the history books. You might say this is an unreasonable analogy, but remember McCarthyism? People who were suspected of having socialist or communist ties were black-listed and often either "dissapeared" committed suicide, or were even tried for what we would call Treason.

What happens to "people with beards" in the US after we've destroyed their culture and place of origin? They've got--as I see it--two options; change their way of life, or be crushed. And either way their identity as a people is lost. Which wouldn't necessarily be bad if the alternative wasn't a bigoted, egocentric and oppressing culture which rewards individuals and punishes communities.

How do you reason with a terrorist? Presumably you do damage control and end the situation which created the terrorist. In this case we cannot get rid of the situation with military force, because military force is what created it. Well, that and ignorance. But that wouldn't have been an issue if the American Ideology were not so depressingly set on viewing Might as Right. It's not even utilitarian, which at the least might keep us from murdering millions of people to keep a few dollars off gas for us. And now the US is the greatest threat the world knows (and that's not my pride speaking) because we've set ourselves up as an unquestionable authority.

Ugh. If only I weren't just reiterating what everyone already knows.

Okay...fine...we may lose some cultures. Some people may be hurt...but we'd have new and improved Afghanistan [renamed something alot more pleasing like...erm...Luxurious Pleasures-stan or something.].

Palastine, Israel, Afghanistan, Iraq, N & S. Korea, Ethiopia...i bet atleast one of these countries when said makes atleast one person think "Ohh, eww.". To me, none of them are really pleasing. So, let's destroy them and begin something new and better. All they do is bring the rest of the world misery. I sit down with my tea, turn on Tv and there's Oxfam...showing oh-so-lovely pictures of some 7 year old Ethiopian with flies flying up his nose and in his mouth. I sit down to watch Tv and see how our Government is getting on and realise that because of Iraq Labour will probably get voted out. If these countries weren't around, the world would be a cleaner happier place.

On the issue you raised on terrorism, i don't really care about terrorists, this is about making deserty, beard-ridden, fly-ridden-people gone and making some random luxury from, lets face it, a bag of Dog shite and used contraceptives...

On the Nazi issue, the Jews were just greedy bastards who signed the treaty of Versailles and shamed the German race...they weren't being foul in public.

I just think that the idea of luxury and beauty that you present is too subjective. The desert is quite clean, cleaner than most things should be, and I think its sexy. There are women out there who dig guys with beards, and honestly, tea isn't made to sit down and watch commercials with.
And what about fat, sleazy americans or bad-toothed sharp-faced brits? Ugly and horrible. If what you were talking about was some sort of virus designed to either kill or beautify unattractive people, I'd be more sympathetic. But truth be told, laying waste to a desert doesn't make much sense. And how are we supposed to get some luxury out of it? The luxury stench of dead bodies? But nevertheless, as this thread should remain on the topic of terrorism, I leave you with this:

Killing people should always be direct and deliberate, with every possible consequence evaluated and prepared for. War, terrorism, the death penalty and every other current form of homicide are inadequate and should be refrained from until a suitable alternative is found.

That is such a good idea!

'But truth be told, laying waste to a desert doesn't make much sense'

Not laying waste to a desert. Laying waste to a barron civilisation.

What do they contribute to us? Nothing but vomitness...away with them.

'And what about fat, sleazy americans or bad-toothed sharp-faced brits? Ugly and horrible'

Oh, do not worry. I have my plans for them...Bwaha...Ha...erm...etc