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Lord have mercy on our sauls for we know not what we do!
Look I am Catholic and I know the act hint I said the act of being gay is a sin. Being gay or haveing sex with the same sex is a sin the same for everything we do for us and not God is a sin. You can be the most nicest man and generous person in the world and be gay but your forgetting one important thing and thats Jesus Christ. It doesn't mean your going strieght to Hell. No it means you just made a mistake and God understands that we are not perfect. But if you don't accept Christ yes you will go to Hell even if your a saint. Its because you don't have Christ in your hearts is the reason why your going to Hell. When we don't have God in our lives we stray awey from him through sin thus we go to Hell. When we recieve Christ in our hearts we may still sin but God has given us eternal life and there is no giveing that back. In other words if you sin and you have God in your life he will help you back up and get you back on the right track but your not going to Hell because you know Christ and still sined aganst him. Thats how simple it is. Thats how you get into Heaven. But if you don't know Christ you won't go to Heaven plan and simple. Havent you guys ever gone to Sunday School when you were little? I sin because I am not perfect. But I know and God knows I am not perfect so he helps me, and I already know even when I sin I still have that gift of eternal life. I've accepted the fact that I am a sinner. I know when I sin I have Christ and I won't go to Hell for it. Everybody sins its just a matter if you have Christ in your heart thats all. But there shouldn't be any debate over this. Thats how simple this is. |
The only way a Christian can ever win this argument is if they state that they blindly believe in God. It's blind faith, and the sensible Christian would understand that, rather than try to prove the un-provable.
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Amen to that! |
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I mean, do you chat every friday and sunday, drinking tea and taking your sweet time sharing the best gossips around? I'm not being mean or sarcastic*cough*, I just wanna know what you mean... Right. |
No its a feeling in your heart that you know you have a good relationship with God. He talks to us through prayer and understanding his word.
So what we can say is we have faith and yes phisically we cannot see or hear God. But God is spirit so none of those traits apply. I mean for you people who believe in Satin and all of his works do you talk to him phisically or is it a dark spiritual thing I mean you have rituals right? So can we say in your belief system you have blind faith too in Satin is similar to that of our faith in God only now its the complete opposite? You can't see or touch Satin but you have faith in him. You know he exist through blind faith am I not right? So how can you believe in something that doesn't exist phisically but spiritualy? The point is we have faith in our own religion just as much as you have faith in Satin we have faith in God. So in reality there is no arguement here and this is getting way off topic. |
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(2) - No, you believe you get you're info from God...there's a difference. (3) - Oh yeh, a dictorial, nasty, vindictive, hypocritical, alcoholic is better than a bunch of people who do what they do because they know no better... :
I'm gonna put the following in lamens terms; How do you know....that the Bible...is...the book of God? You say the stuff is real...yet...what if the Bible is the book of Satan? Satan is meant to be hateful and nasty. God is meant to be kind and loving. The book of Satan tells you to live life as you want. The Bible tells you to be nasty to sinners. You go on about Faith. Surely a true God wouldn't put somebody in Hell for having Faith in another God? When the Bible gets modified to make Homosexuality a non-sinful thing...will you change your views? If not...then that means that you are against everything the Vatican has modified in the Bible... Ranging from mixing Crops to wearing different types of clothing... God is all loving and forgiving...shouldn't he forgive people who don't believe in him? Surely he realises that it is through his bone idleness that people lose faith? You say that you yourselves have witnessed Miracles and had your prayers answered...how is this God? In Witchcraft the main dealio is you yourself make things happen... Meaning, you could have made your prayers come true and yet you give credit to a mysterious being... What happens to people who believe in Satan? Or Budda? Or Resurrection? Do they go to Hell? How do you know God is speaking to you? It could be a Demon or Lucifer? It wouldn't be the first time Lucifer has misguided people... Why is there evidence of an afterlife...but not of Heaven. People do seances and do not come into contact with people in Heaven...nor do they contact Angels... Are you really ready to waste your life based on blind faith? |
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Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord God: thought your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be like crimson, they shall be as wool. :
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-oddguy |
Ok, on the relationship with God thing. You may think you have a relationship with God, like i think i have a relationship with both God and Lucifer. If i am on my own and have not got my mobile phone with me, i will speak to them. If i am wanting something and can't be bothered to do some hocus pocus i will ask both God and Lucifer to aid me...that way, if God doesn't want to help me because my reasons are too selfish, Lucifer will. Now, all of the above was due to my family making me believe in God. I now do it out of habit, rather than believing in one true being. But i know that if there was a God he would want us to live our lives to the fullest extent, rather than pussy-footing around.
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Oh yes, thats right(!) Lucifer created the Apple that Eve ate and tempted Adam with... :
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'10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn.t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)' Sure, the above may be humerous but they come from the Bible... :
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Anyway, regardless of the above, if God will forgive you if you sin so long as you have him in your Hearts whats the big deal with sinning? Back in the day it didn't matter if you had him in your Hearts...you had to abide by the rules the Apostles set. Now, thats seemingly changed, meaning a murderer could rape and kill a thousand babies and if he has God in his Heart he will go to Heaven...and if that can happen then why have sins at all? Why not just teach about God instead of saying "Well...if you do this its a sin and you will go to Hell...but if you have God in your Heart you can do it...and still get into Heaven." kind of a big loop hole in the afterlife case isn't there really? |
WOW! I thought that this was the "Gayometer" I don't feel like argueing today, maybe tomorrow...
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It says in the scriptures that you cannot serve both God and Satan. Man cannot have two masters is what it says. Anyway God does want us to live at the fullest....that is, fullest extent of righteousness. :
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Let's just quit this annoying debate. It's getting nowhere and we just keep going in circles. -oddguy:fuzcool: |
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Random disproofulness; I propose that it can be proven that God is a myth. First, we have to assume that we are talking about the Christian God described in the Bible. If the Bible isn't the truth, than the God it describes isn't real. Now, the Bible is full of errors and contradictions, literally hundreds of them. I'm not going to give them here, but do a quick search on the internet and you will find many sites devoted to the topic. Many Christians will try to tell you that the errors are a result of translations and not present in original writings, but would God allow that to happen? Wouldn't he inspire the translators as well? Also, if it were truly a work of God, the Bible should be something that men could never come up with on their own; unfortunaltly, they did. Could the Bible be inspired by the perfect God it describes yet have errors and contradictions throughout it at the same time? Obviosly, the answer is no. Thus, the Bible isn't inspired, and God is a myth. No errors or contradictions? Here are just a few: Mathew 7:21 says not everyone who calls on the name of the lord shall be saved. VS. Acts 2:21 Paul says whoever calls on the name of the lord shall be saved. John 13:38 "the cock shall not crow till thou hast denied me three times." VS. Mark 14:68 says the cock crowed after the first denial. Genesis 32:30 says, "....I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." VS. John 1:18 says, "no man hath seen God at any time..." Leviticus 11:20-21 Birds and insects have four legs. Websites - Naughties (see above extract) Yorkies :
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Blah Blah Blah. I didn't even have to read your last post to know what you were gonna say. Anyway, I'm tired of wasting my time here, so I'm not coming back to this thread. Jacob, If you really want to know if the Bible is true, go look it up on the net. There are millions of sites dedicated to this particular subject.
Matthew 7:6 6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. This means not to reveal anything holy unto those that will just mock sacred things, like you. So, I'm just doing what God wants me to do. Jacob, if you change your attitude and are ever really interested in a relationship with God, feel free to pm me, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm just going to leave you with my unshaken testimony of the true living God. I believe in God, and I know that He loves me and cares for me. He has helped me endure trials and blessed me greatly. I have seen angels and witnessed many miracles. There is no way anyone can change my mind about God, because He has personally guided me through my entire life and I owe a lot to Him. I'm a servant of Heavenly Father, and He has mighty works planned for me to do while upon this earth. I lead a happy life because God is in it, and I couldn't imagine it any other way. I will always stand by the Lord's side, and He will stand by mine. No one can tell me that God is myth. -oddguy |
WOW!:fuzgrin: That was pretty good oddguy...
Anyway, Jacob, (this is an asumption by the way) I think that you really do believe in God, and you would like to listen to oddguy and the rest of us, but you don't want to believe in God anymore, because you don't like you parents, and don't wan't to believe they way they do. You even said yourself that you still pray to God, but I think that deep inside yourself that you really do believe in God... but I might be wrong... GrigtheSlig:D |
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I belong to a Catholic family, a loving and caring family. I can see how it benefits us, as all the family firmly believe in God. We don't follow all the rules, and I don't hold it against them. We do what we feel is right, we do the just and moral thing. It works in our case, as I've grown up in a loving family. However, we don't look down on others, and make them convert or repent. Hell, we crack jokes about them Anglicans, Orthodox and Jehovah's Witnesses ;) Me and my Mother are extremely close, and from her I've learnt most of my religious knowledge. Regularly we'll chat, mostly while doing the dishes, and it'll be about a range of subjects. She is, and will always be the only one that can bring me to tears just thinking about her in certain circumstances - our relationship, is well, something to be proud of. Christ, sometimes she makes me question my Agnosticism in favour of Catholicism. I wonder sometimes whether I will end up being a Catholic again. Only because of her, and how she's interpreted the word of God. She understands that Man has ruined the word of God, the original word of God. It was the words "Catholicism has been ruined by Man, Peter. Corrupt and greedy men, even Popes, that have tainted it. Just remember, the core beliefs of God will never change. Just do what is right. God can't ask any more of you.". You just can't put into words the value of her to me. That, I understand is somewhat due to her Catholic upbringing - and thus, I can see the value of Catholicism. Hope. Alcar... |
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Revs up head... Lucky i read the bible alot.... Dont tease me becoz i love God. Leviticus 20 Punishments for Sin 'If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his own head. 10 " 'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife-with the wife of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. 11 " 'If a man sleeps with his father's wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. 12 " 'If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads. 13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. 14 " 'If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you. 15 " 'If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal. 16 " 'If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. 17 " 'If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They must be cut off before the eyes of their people. He has dishonored his sister and will be held responsible. 18 " 'If a man lies with a woman during her monthly period and has sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and she has also uncovered it. Both of them must be cut off from their people. 19 " 'Do not have sexual relations with the sister of either your mother or your father, for that would dishonor a close relative; both of you would be held responsible. 20 " 'If a man sleeps with his aunt, he has dishonored his uncle. They will be held responsible; they will die childless. 21 " 'If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity; he has dishonored his brother. They will be childless. |
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Leviticus 18 7 " 'Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her. 8 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your father's wife; that would dishonor your father. 9 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere. 10 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your son's daughter or your daughter's daughter; that would dishonor you. 11 " 'Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father's wife, born to your father; she is your sister. 12 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your father's sister; she is your father's close relative. 13 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your mother's sister, because she is your mother's close relative. 14 " 'Do not dishonor your father's brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt. 15 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son's wife; do not have relations with her. 16 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your brother's wife; that would dishonor your brother. 17 " 'Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son's daughter or her daughter's daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness. 18 " 'Do not take your wife's sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living. 19 " 'Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period. 20 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor's wife and defile yourself with her. 21 " 'Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed [1] to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD . 22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. 23 " 'Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion. Yeah theres this other law saying your penis has to get cut off and your balls crushed if you commit some of those sins. |
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Anyway, in a magazine it had some quotes from the book, and one of the things he talked about was that paedophilia will one day become as accepted as homosexuality now is. |
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Anyway, anybody know how to Astral Project? |
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What if it was an act the child concented to, having full knowledge of it all? Whatever, I do know that to prevent acts paedophilia, the culprits need psychological help and compassion, not prison sentences and hatred. |
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I know a 20 year old guy who had slept with a 14 year old. The 14 year old txted his friends bragging, then his dad found the texts and now the 20 year old is in prison, and on the registry. I think thats abit wrong, but if the guy did know the kids age, then he deserves it. |
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*gives him a thooper dooper high five* |
Well good for you I hope everything goes well with your boxer shorts.:D
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23% TOO straight apparently.
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Just found a rather interesting site -
A rather interesting site Goes on about how there was no sexual orientation back in the day and other shtuffs about Chariots...and Horses...and Trains...and...yeh...shtuffs...still, interesting. |
Good for you Joshy! I'm so proud of you! :fuzwink: Those were really good scriptures! *Gives 5 to Joshy* :fuzgrin:
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