yeah... it's a joke

This is fucking hilarious.

the biggest athiest in the world and look at the state of the guy (joke)

you're a retard (joke)

I just went back and read through everything that I previously hadn't read before and thought I would leave my 2 cents worth despite the conversation lines being long gone by now.

I think in the case of STM supposed knowledg of an after life, although beleif does not substitute knowledge in the mind of the person who belives, they know until proven otherwise (for many years scientists belived and knew the earth was flat, until proven otherwise) on the other hand I can see how someone claiming to know something that he couldn't possably know can be easily interpreted as arogent.

this is a bit off topic but someone mentioned that if a metior hit it wouldn't stop the sun from setting, in most cases this would be true but in extreamly improbable circumstances it could change the earths rotation in a way were one side would continuously face away from the sun, preventing the sun from setting, however I think everyone would be more concerned with the extream wind than the earths rotation.

back on topic I do belive in an afterlife, however I have trouble comprehending hell, the Idea of infinate punishment for a finate amount of sin conflicts with a fair and just god, and I would prefer to belive that god is fair.

someone mentiond that church services were boring as, and you were spot on, the only reasons I still go is cause I have friends there and to avoid mum asking why I'm not going and dad trying to convert me back to the mormans cause he thinks my faith is faultering.

as I stated in a previouse post science and religion shouldn't have to conflict and were they do science will more often be right, some of the christian beleifs I dislike the most are:
the universe is only 7 thousand years old, despite strong evidance against it
and the nonexistance of aliens despite the larg size of the universe

that's all for now (dinners getting cold)

Science, even though I don't know that much about both of them (I frankly don't give a shit) it makes much more sence then all religions.

Following on from Alcar's post; are you actually suggesting that we must play the neutral mediator in any discussion? We did not attack scrabtrapman; in every post we were responding to a specific point that he had made.

I think that people have been a bit unfair labelling you as arrogant, but you do definitely need to learn the difference between knowledge and belief. I'm talking as someone who used to be a heartfelt believer in my religion and is now a self-described believer in atheism.

Frankly, the biggest problem in the way that you present yourself here is that you tell us with absolute confidence that you know that the afterlife exists, but also say that Genesis was just a metaphor. How can you possibly hold those two thoughts at the same time?

If you forced an astronomer to give an entirely truthful and non-flippant answer, he would not tell you that the sun will definately rise tomorrow. He would tell you that based on thousands of years of history and models that have otherwise proved accurate, the balance of probability is that the sun will rise.

I think it's cute that 22 posts after I stop posting I'm still the subject of a lot of talk.

Thing is I believe God exists but to me, some of the Bible, miraculous events and other phenomena are proof to me and therefore I have knowledge that he exists. This knowledge doesn't apply to everyone of course.

And any way, why are you people so intent on being angry at me? All I've said is what I hold true to myself, I'm not slamming my face against my keyboard because you lot are all atheists. Learn tolerance I say, it's a fantastic trait. (That's not just aimed at you btw Nate).

I think there's one person on this forum I wouldn't mind debating with again about this topic and that's BM because he has never spoken against me or religion directly he just uses scientific proof to back up his claims.

So I put it to you guys, where the proof God doesn't exist? And don't say because we can't see him because no one on this forum has ever 'seen' air, maybe scientists have developed an elaborate hoax for its existence and we actually don't breath anything!!! XD

My gripe is purely with Alcar's tone, which trancends debating and goes right into being unnecessarily dickish, saying moderators plural was purely political.

God Alcar's a dick.

We can see air particles, we can't see divine particles.

You see this table? There is a cheesecake on it. You can't see the cheesecake, you say? Well assure you it is there. I know it is there because there is a note on the table, right there, saying that there is, in fact, a cheesecake on the table. Why would the note lie? Surely if someone put an invisible cheesecake on the table it would make sense for that someone to put a note beside it saying there is a cheesecake, otherwise people might not know it is there and sit on it!

I'm crazy, you say? Well how about you just have a slice of the cheesecake then? Would that convince you? Mind you, you can't taste it, or smell it or feel it. It's a very special cheesecake after all. Eating it will make you feel better though, as long as you believe the note.

I'm a lunatic, you say? There is no cheesecake, you say? The cheesecake is a lie, you say? Well damn, the note is right there. Why would the note lie? If you say there is no cheesecake, go ahead and prove there's no cheesecake. I will bet you the rest of the cheesecake that you can't prove there is no cheesecake.

Why do you think you can disprove the cheesecake when there's clearly a note saying that it is there? That makes absolutely no sense to me. That's like saying there is no air, while we are all breathing it every day.

Please answer all the questions and we'll go from there.

Oh my god, the cheesecake was a lie after all :O

EDIT: Also, well put

I'm sure if God had a divine plan, it may have had nothing to do with the massive fucking monsters that wandered on the planet for a hundred million years doing nothing but eat each other.

Cool plan bro (Y)

I never understood why any god, with the power to create anything they want, wouldn't just create a world as they want it to be at the end of their divined plan. Would save a lot of shit and the mess we're in right now.

Because that's boring.

God: Go humans, go forth and cause all sorts of mayhem. Start wars, riots, drugs and crazy fads because I couldn't be bothered creating the perfect world free from that stuff. It's too boring.

That's what God really said to Adam and Eve, they weren't really banned from the Garden of Eden.

I thought that God would be beyond boring.

There is no proof that God exists, and there willl, as far as theists are concerned, never will be, because they will mould their beliefs around the evidence as though their beliefs are plastic encasing a block inside a vacuum former.

So god is up there being entertained by what he is watching beneath him?

God's probably the stereotypical slob sitting on his ass watching the world's events through a television.

You saying that also brings light to the fact why people think God lives in space or something.

I'm also pretty sure there isn't a red guy with a pitchfork and tail living in the center of the planet.

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile...865_9210_n.jpg

I hope there is. I would totally go kill someone for no reason just to meet him.

If the Devil is down there then God must be up there? Why would they be in the same place? Considering that Satan was supposed to be this nasty guy (or snake :p) he was in a good position wasn't he.

Bitches don't know that Satan is a servant of God.

Book of Job: Canon

Paradise Lost: Fanfiction

Of course the Cripple with the superbrain would say something like this. Stephen Hawking is just another example that god has a great sense of humor.

I think WoF is right actually, scholars believe that God still loved Lucifer until the temptation of Jesus because he practically employed him to tempt people. This might sound like heresy but I don't agree with all that God does and I know I'm supposed to, I forget who it is but in the Old Testament he allows Satan to kill a man's children, live stock, family, destroy his lively hood etcetera to test his resolve. And then when the man shouts at God he tells him to be for forgiveness and that it was all part of his master plan. I know God is inflicted with human emotions like us but that is kid+magnifying glass to me. I hope he's not too angry I said that.

That's an interesting adaptation of Russell's Teapot.

Yeah well, teapots are stupid. Cheesecakes are delicious.

But...the cheese cake is a lie.

I'm glad you finally admitted it.

Hey, we're making progress. Very good!

Yes, Satan was God's former servant.

God knew there was something off about him. He had horns and a tail.

There ain't no former about it. Stop reading fanfiction!

You stop reading fiction!

God x Satan slash sounds pretty good. I'm gonna go see if I can find some.

I'd rather read any one of the fanfics the bible has inspired than the thing itself. Except maybe the Book of Mormon, or the Da Vince Code.

Is it any wonder why Dante and Milton's ideas of heaven and hell stuck so hard to christianity? The book is a snoozefest.

Did I just read someone compare a divine being to a cheesecake?

I get the point don't worry :p

e: maybe god is actually in the form of a cheesecake......

e2: heaven is a cheesecake factory

e3: brb going to fanfiction.net

FF.net doesn't allow submissions like that. You need to comb to the murky backwater of the internet to find shit like this.

Is it better or worse than Cameron/Clegg slashfic?

Comparatively speaking.

The one I found would be...somewhat worse in the sense it's pretty badly written.

Needs moar lemonz

I think it's cute that you counted how many posts had been made.

So in other words, your mind can't comprehend these miraculous things happening without a God to make them?

I don't think anybody is angry at you. I at least feel sorry for you, believing in something entirely preposterous because your parents told you it was true. Not that it's their fault; they were presumably told the same thing by their parents and theirs by theirs (if they decided to believe it without being brainwashed as children they were either mad or had an ulterior motive).

BM's amazing like that, you two could probably have a real debate if you did the same.

Where's your proof that Havoc's cheesecake (or Russell's teapot) doesn't exist? If you hadn't been brainwashed to believe in God, you wouldn't. Because before changing your beliefs you would need to see something that convinced you, and there's nothing that could possibly convince an atheist that God existed. Only the parents of a small child will be able to manage that, and even then he's likely to outgrow his childish beliefs when he's older.

And we can see air.

Surely that would be God/Satan?

I'm sorry I can't be specific, but I remember there being some sort of argument for religion stating that some things are found beautiful without a reason. It regarded a certain flower, but apparently it's this really sweet looking flower, and it has no evolutionary reason to look so attractive to us. It just does, because God wanted to have us to appreciate the beauty of life.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

Argument from beauty?