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We must all travel to Sealand before it's too late

Oh man, I haven't even thought about how Iraq and Afghanistan would've gone if China had inexplicably sided with us for it.

Shit would've got done.

Every single state the US has gone to war with in recent times or is otherwise extremely concerned with has been backed by China.

Also China owns us all completely, and it's smartest and most educated people outnumber the entire population of America. And Britain combined, I suspect. Through it a few more countries, you get the idea.

This is a nation that cares about its industrial, technological and scientific future (while America appears to be slowly excising these interests). It is now a major player, but it is clearly set to become more powerful than the entire west has ever been. It also has a great history and present of awful human rights violations, and we have zero power to interfere.

If it should come to that, the only thing that might stay China's hand is the fact that we are its customers.

Yeh I feel safe knowing that our future will be run by the biggest mega corporation the world has ever known, we have no power to interfere and the Chinese cba to mess with us since we pour millions into it's pockets. It's really quite safe so long as one stupid arse civilisation...such as America decide it's time to show what democracy really is by liberating the Chinese from their government!

It's so wonderful when you say things.

although every business has their own right to choose their partners, I find it more than shonky how PayPal, Amazon, MC interfered with political issues. So I think those "Hacker-Attacks" on their servers are a great response. funny thing is how all the concerns and politicians underestimate the internet. it's an unstoppable thing and impossible to control.

Tell that to China. Also one of the hackers was arrested-http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...ge-attacks.ars

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funny thing is how all the concerns and politicians underestimate the internet. it's an unstoppable thing and impossible to control.

Not in China it ain't.

Just for the record, BM: I was half kidding.

hm yes you're right. But I was speaking more of a non-dictatorship like country. but yeah you're right.

BTW lol what is this? they even used footage from Animatrix

Is the target audience going to get "over 9000" or take it as as a ballpark estimate of their numbers?

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hm yes you're right. But I was speaking more of a non-dictatorship like country. but yeah you're right.

BTW lol what is this? they even used footage from Animatrix

Fucking reprobates.

Anti-anti-piracy really annoys me. People act as if law enforcements removing illegal torrents is pure evil. While I admittedly do download some stuff illegally I don’t prod on about ACTA being a deprivation of liberty.

This intellectual property is created and copyrighted by personal. It is their source off income and if they do not want it to be shared with the entire internet for free that’s fair enough.

I guess whether or not you support ACTA depends on if you care about your own rights or giant companie's wallets.

I don't have a right to download shit.

I mean. I do it anyway, but I'm not entitled to it.

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Good job this has nothing to do with WikiLeaks at all then, isn't it?

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Fucking reprobates.

^ This. Nothing about Anonymous is cool. Nothing.

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Good job this has nothing to do with WikiLeaks at all then, isn't it?

No, but it was relevant to the video posted by scrabface three posts previous to my own.

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I guess whether or not you support ACTA depends on if you care about your own rights or giant company’s wallets.

Fuck off. I hate it when people think they have a god-given right to to steal intellectual property on the basis that the owner is wealthy.

The fact remains it's not your personal right to be able to "share" unlicensed copywrited material.

I agree with MoxCo on this one, while I download the odd song illegally I don't think that all that ACTA stuff is really a good movement

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I agree with MoxCo on this one

that explains a lot.

Well lets just all assume I meant the right to pirate(I didn't), and ignore the part where companies can invade your privacy.

Your being to douche for my liking lately MA! I shall file a complaint

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^ This. Nothing about Anonymous is cool. Nothing.

I dunno, the fact they can stage massive DDoS attacks on companies like PayPal and get away with it is kind of cool.

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Because the opposition of ACTA is based entirely around the point "piracy is good!"

Oh wait

An open letter signed by many organizations, including Consumers International, EDRi (27 European civil rights and privacy NGOs), the Free Software Foundation (FSF), the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), ASIC (French trade association for web 2.0 companies), and the Free Knowledge Institute (FKI), states that "the current draft of ACTA would profoundly restrict the fundamental rights and freedoms of European citizens, most notably the freedom of expression and communication privacy."[58] The Free Software Foundation argues that ACTA will create a culture of surveillance and suspicion.[59] Aaron Shaw, Research Fellow at the Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University, argues that "ACTA would create unduly harsh legal standards that do not reflect contemporary principles of democratic government, free market exchange, or civil liberties. Even though the precise terms of ACTA remain undecided, the negotiants' preliminary documents reveal many troubling aspects of the proposed agreement" such as removing "legal safeguards that protect Internet Service Providers from liability for the actions of their subscribers" in effect giving ISPs no option but to comply with privacy invasions. Shaw further says that "[ACTA] would also facilitate privacy violations by trademark and copyright holders against private citizens suspected of infringement activities without any sort of legal due process".[60]

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I dunno, the fact they can stage massive DDoS attacks on companies like PayPal and get away with it is kind of cool.

Well.

No. It's not. Not at all.

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Well.

No. It's not. Not at all.

Why not?

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Why not?

Because people need to use Paypal?

I don't give a shit about their high flying ideals, if their way to show their eballs is to hurt bystanders then fuck them to hell.

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Why not?

Because it's not doing anything other than proving that most Pirates are childish aspies.

Let me clarify my point a little:

The fact that they can take down the infrastructure of rather large websites is quite impressive, regardless of whether it's an acceptable target or not. The fact that it's mostly childish aspies just makes it more impressive.

That's not to say I like them, just that the amount of power they can amass is pretty impressive.

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Because people need to use Paypal?

I don't give a shit about their high flying ideals, if their way to show their eballs is to hurt bystanders then fuck them to hell.

Visa, Mastercard, and Paypal started the shit when they decided they wouldn't let people donate money to an organization that has not committed any crimes, for a fucking political reason. It was very clear that the government(US or otherwise) pressured the companies into doing this, attempting to censor it. The DDOS were some of the public's' response to this. What else were they to do? Write angry letters? It got the media's attention, and that was probably enough. None of this would have happened if the companies hadn't tried to block aid to Wikileaks.

So it's justifiable to hurt users?

http://i.imgur.com/OpYWJ.gif

Pink girl is THOSE EVIL GOVERNMENTS PRESSURING THOSE COMPANIES, blue girl is your average customer.

The boy is a childish aspie.

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I dunno, the fact they can stage massive DDoS attacks on companies like PayPal and get away with it is kind of cool.

Because the opposition of ACTA is based entirely around the point "piracy is good!"

Oh wait

Originally Posted by Wikipedia
An open letter signed by many organizations, including Consumers International, EDRi (27 European civil rights and privacy NGOs), the Free Software Foundation (FSF), the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), ASIC (French trade association for web 2.0 companies), and the Free Knowledge Institute (FKI), states that "the current draft of ACTA would profoundly restrict the fundamental rights and freedoms of European citizens, most notably the freedom of expression and communication privacy."[58] The Free Software Foundation argues that ACTA will create a culture of surveillance and suspicion.[59] Aaron Shaw, Research Fellow at the Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University, argues that "ACTA would create unduly harsh legal standards that do not reflect contemporary principles of democratic government, free market exchange, or civil liberties. Even though the precise terms of ACTA remain undecided, the negotiants' preliminary documents reveal many troubling aspects of the proposed agreement" such as removing "legal safeguards that protect Internet Service Providers from liability for the actions of their subscribers" in effect giving ISPs no option but to comply with privacy invasions. Shaw further says that "[ACTA] would also facilitate privacy violations by trademark and copyright holders against private citizens suspected of infringement activities without any sort of legal due process".[60]

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Well lets just all assume I meant the right to pirate(I didn't), and ignore the part where companies can invade your privacy.

Do either of you two know how they bust pirates? There are two known methods. Firstly your ISP uses a method called 'deep packet inspection' basically your ISP has a script which scans through every thing you download looking for certain 'black listed' things. If they find one they'll probably send you a threatening letter.

Hardly an invasion of privacy since if your doing nothing wrong everything will pass unnoticed.

Secondly, and more easily, Big companies will hire people to attempt to download from an illegal torrent of their product. If you know how torrents work you know you are not downloading form the pirate bays server but rather many other people who have downloaded the torrent previously. So all these inspection people have to do is record the IP addresses of those who are illegally uploading the company’s software.

This is definitely not an invasion of privacy. Your IP will only be recorded if you are using these torrents and anyway anyone could know it.

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Paypal and Mastercard are allowed to provide their services to whomever they want. Anonymous is just a group of dickheads who hurt the many thousands of users.

If does something you don’t like you don't go and egg there house (I probably would but that doesn’t make it the right thing to do).

"If you're doing nothing wrong you've got nothing to worry about" is not an acceptable reason to lie down and take breaches of privacy.

What!? It's not a breach of privacy its a computer script. It jsut reports any illegal downloads to the ISP. Are you worried that the computer script will be judgemental?

I really don't see your logic.

It's quite simple: it's a computer script which is analysing everything that goes through your internet connection. Just because you're not illegally downloading anything doesn't mean it's not a breach of privacy.

As a comparison, imagine all your phone calls are recorded. Does it matter if you're not organising anything illegal through it?

I am totally against that shit.

But Anonymous are still cunts.

I completely agree.

Still, I'd rather have Anonymous than no-one.

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Originally Posted by Wikitionary
privacy (countable and uncountable; plural privacies)

1. The state of being private; the state of not being seen by others.

That's a stupid comparison. If you're phone is being tapped it means a person is listening in on your conversations. This is a computer script, not a person.

That’s like claiming your bed is a pervert for watching you get dressed when it’s an inanimate object.

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imagine all your phone calls are recorded.

Way to misread.

It may be a computer script, but it's a computer script implemented by, monitored by, controlled by and acted upon by an organisation.

How is this difficult to understand