That sounds more like an educational problem than anything else. You know what else would bring teen pregnancies down? Actually teaching kids how sex works and what condoms are for instead of constantly hammering "DON'T HAVE SEX!!" everywhere they go.

You won't stop a teen who wants to have sex and telling them they can't have it will only make them more curious. Come on, that's parenting 101. So since you can't actually enforce the foolish 'don't have sex' rule, you an at least make sure your kids are well educated and make sure they use a condom when they do have sex.

I wasn't talking about age of consent... It's really scary to see how literal everyone takes laws around here. It's almost religious. If there was a minimum age for being able to breath half of you idiots would probably drop dead within 4 minutes.

Way to ignore the point I made with that you ignorant piece of shit.

Shut up you ignorant cunt. At what point did we start expecting children to act responsibly? They don't. Because they are children. Sure. You explain the situation and hope to hell that they don't fuck up, but you don't blame children for being foolish. Goddamnit, I hate this stupidity.

I don't know how it works in Netherland, but here, children are educated rather well, especially on contraceptives. In fact, I've heard of one or two schools distributing condoms for free to the older people there. It cannot be an education problem (or at least not in the UK).

where the hell were you schooled? they are taught this shit, the problem lies with people like you thinking its okay to have sex with them. personally, i was taught a hell of a lot about both sex and STD's.

EDIT: Oddjob - speedy shit.

I'll admit the education here is not too good. But that wasn't the point I was making. The fact that it went down shows less was had, showing that the older high schoolers were getting the 9th graders to sex them up. Showing they are easily impressionable.

Havoc, you are grossly unaware of where exactly anyone here stands, so let me divulge you.

You are the only person who thinks what you're saying is okay. There is not a single other person that thinks the points you're making are valid or justifiable. Nobody here could give a shit what some of your horrid, creepy-ass friends have to say on the matter, no matter how much you dress it up as people actually involed. Everything you're saying is hearsay or just plain bullshit.

YOU ARE INCORRECT AN ALL COUNTS AND NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. YOU ARE A BAD PERSON AND SHOULD BE PUNISHED FOR BEING THE WAY YOU ARE.

Age is no indicator for anything. There are children no older than 6 who will kick your ass in math while at the same time there are 60 year olds with the brain capacity of a brick.

And my kid better have some sense of responsibility by 14, I did.

Message to the mods: I'll take any infraction, banning, or whatever the fuck you want to give me, but for fuck's sake permaban Moxco.

Intellect does not equal maturity you twat. One of my friends should be a freshmen, but he was in my grade this year, and goes to college next year. While he does kick my ass in math, you can see how less mature he is from other people in our grade.

Thanks for writing what I intended to.

so what is a child and what is a grown up? hardly to define it only by the age. and the time changes the comprehension of this. think of romeo & juliet for example.

I was taught plenty about sex in school. But I know that certain area's (especially in America where certain schools actively choose not to give sex ed because of religious background) simply don't do it as good as it should.

You don't know what you're talking about.

The age of consent is 16 in Australia as well, and in my opinion it's too young. But in Mexico the age of consent is 12. Fucking 12. And in Oman it's 9, though you need to be married.

It sickens me that it would be legal for a grown man to have sex with a twelve-year-old girl - or in fact with a sixteen-year-old.

Ideally, I think once you turn fourteen you can have sex with anyone a year either side of your age. So at fourteen or fifteen, and at fifteen fourteen, fifteen or sixteen. Then once you turn twenty you can do it with anyone else that age or higher.

Back ontopic,

@Havoc: a fifteen-year-old can't make an educated decision about sex, but I agree that telling them not to will just make them want to more.
@MA: it's too low.
@MoxCo.: what's with all the random posts?
@OANST: he's not a motherfucker, she's too old for him.


@edit: fuck that's the most posts ever made while I was writing a reply.

Well correct me then if you think you can do better.

I fell out of my seat. I can't believe you just said that. You are a goddamn Greek tragedy of a human being.
How do you introduce yourself to people? I bet you introduce yourself as an athiest.
With this in mind:
The UK, North America and Canada all seem to have perfectly functional Sex-Ed programs. The majority of the posters seem to agree that adults having sex with children is bad, the problem does not lie with the hormone charged minor, the age of consent is most often the most appropriate cut-off line to keep pedophiles at bay (with some exceptions, thanks Ench), and you're a mess of a human being who should be euthanized.

Next time, on Havoc is a douchebag retard theater: Abortion!

No, but there are laws out there that have been around for hundreds of years. Things change, you know.

What are you on about, kiddo? Back then the average life span of a person was shorter, and they needed some fucking offspring. Times have changed.

There's a thought. Havoc with a child. Will you pass down your 'fucking kids is okay' rhetoric from a young age, or wait for them to get into their late teens?

Nah, he'll teach them that getting fucked by adults is okay.

Already explained this in a prior post. While it's true that everyone matures at a different rate, we are most certainly going to pick an age that we think is appropriate, and you as the degenerate who wants to fuck children doesn't get a say.

Havoc makes me hate the Netherlands.

Ok I don't get it

why am I degenerated?

and why do you believe that I want to fuck children?

is this all a huge joke? do you want me to think like you and if not I am degenerated?

I want you to not fuck children. That's all. Not asking much. Think you can handle it?

I don't think I'll ever have kids, but I do have ideas on how I would raise them if I did. And of those things would be that I'd start teaching them about sex the moment they enter puberty. And one of the things I'd teach is that you should only have sex with someone you're in a relationship with and when you're sure you're comfortable with it. I'd teach them that they should always use a condom, regardless of what the other wants and they should never do anything they don't want to do.

That's all you can do as a parent. Make sure they know those things from the top of their head so that if they do get a boyfriend/girlfriend and sneak him/her up to their room one day at least they will know what to do and what not to do. And of course I would jump in if my 14 year old daughter comes home with some 20 year old dude I've never seen. Put a light in his face and ask him what he's doing with my girl, how they met and what he's doing here. If I suspect he's some douchebag I kick him out and if I think he's a reasonable guy he can spend time with her but I wouldn't allow them to be alone in my house. Here's the problem though; if they really like each other, as a parent you will not be able to keep them from seeing each other or getting alone time. So for those situations I just want my kids to be informed and from there I trust that they will do what feels good for them.

You know how you keep the 20 year old away from your 14 year old daughter? Beat the life right out of him. There's nothing 'reasonable' about an adult who wants to fuck a kid. The fact that you wouldn't give them 'alone time' in your house shows that you seem to have some sort of basic reptilian understanding of that concept.

Yeah and then what? My daughter will get mad at me for kicking her boyfriend's ass, choose his side and I'm never going to get through to her at all if he does turn out to be an abusive asshole.

It'll be a hands on lesson.
Gee whiz, you're right! You're so progressive it hurts, Havoc, I mean, they should abolish the entire concept of an age of consent right along with driver's licenses and Alcohol age limits!
Translation: "I can't have kids because I can't find any 15 year olds who want to dress up as an animal and get pregnant and unfortunately my microscopic shrivelled shrimp dick can't make any physical contact with my girlfriend."

Kids get mad at their parents. It's natural. I'm assuming your parents took the 'let's be best friends with our son' approach. That would explain why you're such a fucked up piece of shit. Most normal functioning adults don't do that.

Didn't say that. The age of consent is fine as it is. But it can be bent on a case per case basis in my opinion.

The criminal law is fine but it can be bent when needed?

Erm...

Case by case based on what, which preteen has the best budding breasts? You're fucking disgusting.

No, they didn't actually. I'm just being practical here. You can distrust that 20 year old and kick his ass the second you see him but all that does is open a door for that guy to further intimidate your kid. If he really has ill intentions then he'll use that ass kicking to his advantage real quick. And since I'm the irrational parent in the eyes of my daughter, she'll choose his side at least long enough for him to completely wrap her in. By the time she realizes he's actually a douche bag it's probably already too late. So yeah, if there is no immediate cause for alarm aside from the age I prefer to keep an eye on the situation from a distance.

Depends on the law, doesn't it? You're not going to tell me there are absolutely no laws you find somewhat/completely stupid.

And DI, I like how you keep using extreme examples to fill in my arguments but I think we both know that's not exactly what I meant.

There is no reasoning with you. I give up. Stick with operation 'no kids'.

Case by case in the sense that the more times you're beaten with a case full of steel rods the less likely you are to be physically able to do anything? Or case by case in the sense that depending on which case full of drugs your stupid parents left open each day of the week, your likelihood to commit post-necrotic rape on a 15 year old girl varies from day to day?

Did Strike Witch have this title, or did a mod change it? Because it really fits the current conversation.

I've been through a situation myself where a father has done everthying in his power to stop me from seeing his daughter, up to and including warping her perception of me and calling in favours from his mobster brother.

At the time I thought he was the most demented horrible controlling piece of shit father in the world, but looking back I can see that just by existing I transgressed some serious lines. From someone who spent most of last year reeling from the ass end of a situation where a father takes immensely ott and controlling action I still think he was justified in what he did.

It was the original topic title. I would've been the first person to reply, but I didn't want to be the first person to reply in the thread with the fetish checklist.
At this point Havoc is just a punching bag that punches back with awful perceptions of how the world works and an inept understanding of how a discussion goes. Treat shit like this as an excuse to both call him out and call him names.

Was she 13?

Seriously though, most guys have been in some sort of situation where a girl's family has not approved of them. It happens.