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OANST 01-20-2010 10:40 AM

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I saw a "Shadow figure" Outside my window before. My Dad was with me and he could see it too. At first we decided it was some joker in the front garden, but upon searching we found nothing; the road was empty, no people, no cars (This was very late at night mind you) and nobody was in the garden. I went back in, and the figure was still there.

Maybe it was Pan. He was preparing a great orgy for you as a "Welcome to the Faith" present, but you ruined the surprise so he just said "fuck it", and left.

shaman 01-20-2010 10:44 AM

No, no, no. I didn't see any horns, plus if it was a "Welcome to the faith" Present it was totally belated. I was the Wiccan Wonder of the West long before this.

OANST 01-20-2010 10:57 AM

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No, no, no. I didn't see any horns, plus if it was a "Welcome to the faith" Present it was totally belated. I was the Wiccan Wonder of the West long before this.

Do you think that your gods have nothing better to do than throw you parties? It just took them that long to get around to it.

shaman 01-20-2010 10:58 AM

Point taken...

MeechMunchie 01-20-2010 11:24 AM

DISCLAIMER: I THINK GHOSTS ARE BULLSHIT AND CAN BE EXPLAINED WITH SCIENTIFIC THEORIES AND A LITTLE COMMON SENSE

I've seen creepy stuff myself on occasion. Usually I dismiss it, but I always make a mental note of what happened and where, so I can keep a look out if anything screwy starts going on.

Most of it's in childhood, as with most people, since imagination is less suppressed back then. But I've seen a translucent horseman pace around my garden, spectral faces in curtains, and when I was really tiny, the headlights on my toy bus kept flashing on and off, and I could see tiny pupils in the centre. The problem was that the headlights had never had light bulbs in them, or mirrors. They were just matte plastic. I tapped it the following morning and nothing happened, but I never played with it again.

I also have a tendency to find symbols or messages in natural formations. Even today I saw a weeping pace in the snow, next to a pair of overlapping leaves resembling a broken heart.

Oh, and once I was sitting on the crapper, doing my buisness, and my entire perception of reality flickered. It was like when a cinema changes rolls of film, I saw a flicker of black, then a flicker of white. For a few seconds I couldn't remember where I was, who I was, or what was going on. It was a bit like The Matrix but with no green numbers. A few seconds later, normal service is resumed, and I go back to my shit in peace.

If ghosts did exist, I suspect they'd just be people. Nothing to be scared of, they're probably just trying to finish something they died halfway through. That gives the happy idea that you could have a friendly chat with your dead relatives.

I also suffer from horrendous deja vu, lucid dreams (Unparachuted basejumping. Wheee!) and that thing where you feel like you're falling.

Oddey 01-20-2010 11:24 AM

I had a friend who seemed a pretty strong believer in modern occult. Claimed that he had used a Wigi board that had actually worked. I never really found that believable.

But he did say that he had woken up to the sound of typing, and realized that the computer was typing on it's own. Then, as if it wasn't creepy enough, he said that there were footsteps coming from the stairs.

I've never had any real expiriences with this who supernatural thing. Lots of Dejá Vu though. Almost once a month, I look at something at a certain angle and know I've seen this exact image somewhere else. I love remembering the feeling the next day, just not the feeling itself, because I can never remember where I've gotten it from. This does tend to needle at me for a few minutes, and can be become very irritating, until I decide to dismiss it as just me being paranoid.

EDIT: I just remembered a single incident that scared me to death. I used to sit outside with my family and look up at the stars in the evening. I would get bored very quickly, and once I went inside, I'd usually end going back outside, for the company. One time I chanced upon looking into the bathroom. Behind the curtains, was a humanlike shape, and moving. I freaked out and ran back outside and decided it was probrably better to wait out there than with whatever that was. To this day, I have no clue what it was, and I've long since moved out of that house. I still think that has to be one of the most creepy expiriences in my life.

OANST 01-20-2010 11:37 AM

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But he did say that he had woken up to the sound of typing, and realized that the computer was typing on it's own. Then, as if it wasn't creepy enough, he said that there were footsteps coming from the stairs.

PROTIP: He's full of shit.

Mac Sirloin 01-20-2010 12:13 PM

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You fuckers have the conversations that I may actually be interested when I'm away. Stupid fuckers, all of you.

Anyway, when I was a child I used to see a man walk in my bedroom door, stand in the corner, and stare at me. Sometimes there would be more than one, and some of them would do more than just stand there. There was one in particular who would all of a sudden start walking towards my bed. If I shut my eyes, and then opened them again it would be back where it started, but it would always start walking towards me again. I saw these things every night. Every single fucking night for years. If I went into my parents bedroom they would follow me in there. I did not sleep much as a child.

Of course, it's all bullshit. It was the product of the over-active imagination of a very lonely and terrified little boy. This is the gift that the church gave to me. In the process of stealing my childhood by convincing my mother that I should be shut away from the world to keep me from it's evils and temptations, it also convinced my young mind that supernatural forces wanted to destroy me. I will never forgive these people for their irresponsible behavior, and I intend to dance on their fucking graves some day.

Edit: It's nice that some of you are able to have faith. I get that it makes life easier to believe that there is a loving god waiting for you after death. But none of you live in the world that you believe in, not even you Splat. You like the stories, and you like the benefits, but you have never had to live the super-fundamentalist lifestyle, and I'm going to say something that most you will no doubt disagree with: If you aren't a fundamentalist, you aren't a Christian. You don't get to temper ancient texts with modern wisdom. IF MODERN WISDOM CHANGES YOUR FAITH THEN YOUR FAITH WAS INHERENTLY WRONG TO BEGIN WITH. Also, it isn't fair. It isn't fair that I had to live through what I did, and you don't. I know that's a stupid and shit argument, but I don't care. It isn't fucking fair.

You all look at Westboro Baptist Church and have a good laugh. But I lived that shit. It isn't funny to me. There is very little difference between the church that I spent every day of my childhood in and those people. I can be quite callous, but my heart fucking breaks for those children.

Who laughs at Westboro Baptist Church? Honest question. From my experience most people find them horrible bastards.

OANST 01-20-2010 12:20 PM

Well, yeah. They are horrible bastards, and I certainly didn't mean to make it sound like anyone is making light of a serious situation (especially as this is my specialty). My point was only that you can look at them in a removed sort of way. I actually know what it's like to live with that dogma.

Pilot 01-20-2010 12:20 PM

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A year ago my brother got married and so I met a bunch of his spiritualist friends. He was quite horrified to be told that, in several of their opinions, I was far more psychic than even him. Sadly, this seems to be localised specifically to episodes of The Simpsons....

We had an MSN discussion about this and I was impressed because the same thing happens to me. An episode would pop into my head, and usually within 48 hours it would come on. We also discussed the synchronicity of you happening to mention that to me. ;)

Wings of Fire 01-20-2010 12:31 PM

A couple of times now me and a good friend I'm in the room with have both reported having a sexual experience at the same time. We both seem to share largely the same feelings and experiences with eachother and it seemed to happen again and again whenever we were in close contact. I think we may have had a psychic link it was so uncanny.

OANST 01-20-2010 12:33 PM

WoF is touching penii again.

Sekto Springs 01-20-2010 12:55 PM

lol Fred Phelps.
Why isn't he dead yet?

Oh, I forgot. The people that desperately need to die are the ones that live forever. Ghosts or no, I hope there is no afterlife for that fuck.

Nate 01-20-2010 01:53 PM

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I believe that most of the advertised "psychics" are fake, they're just looking to make some money, the real ones usually keep to themselves/hide it or are spread around through word of mouth.

No, these were friendly psychics; my brother, his girlfriend, their buddies, my step-mother's dangly crystal pendulum thing. You'd think 50% would say male and 50% would say female, but exactly 100% said that my niece would be a boy.

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The human race is so ignorant. Think of all the things that you think 'I don't understand that, but I'm sure there are scientists somewhere do'. I would love to see a book of 'Things you think the human race knows that we actually don't' - I wanna buy that; it'd be fascinating! We don't know why gravity works. Why does the spinning Earth mean things stick to it? We don't know. 97% of the universe is 'missing'; our understanding of the universe says it should exist but we can't see it and we don't know what it's made from.

I agree with your premise, at least to the point where militant atheists try to claim that shit like String Theory explains all of life's mysteries despite the fact that it's as unprovable as the existence of God. But I do feel the need to point out that things stick to Earth because it's a large mass, not anything to do with it spinning. You're getting confused with centripetal force.

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If you aren't a fundamentalist, you aren't a Christian. You don't get to temper ancient texts with modern wisdom. IF MODERN WISDOM CHANGES YOUR FAITH THEN YOUR FAITH WAS INHERENTLY WRONG TO BEGIN WITH. Also, it isn't fair. It isn't fair that I had to live through what I did, and you don't. I know that's a stupid and shit argument, but I don't care. It isn't fucking fair.

I sort of semi-agree and majorly disagree with you. I don't get the logic of anyone who would try to change religion; for instance the Reform streams of Judaism who, when they started, had big meetings* to decide what parts of the tradition and texts to keep and which to ignore. I mean, if you're doing that, you're not following the religion any more.

That said, I do believe in interpreting the traditions and texts through the filter of the modern world. For instance, in Judaism there are rules about decency and modesty in dress and behaviour. The most extreme example of this is that Ultra-Orthodox women have to be dressed completely covered from neck to ankles and also have their hair covered after marriage. They're also not allowed to sing in front of men. The primary reasoning for this is so as not to inflame sexual urges in the men who look at/listen to them. On the other hand, Modern-Orthodox Jews say that standards of decency are a cultural thing, and that women should be able to wear pants or t-shirts if they want to, simply because that's what everyone wears today and we're used to seeing it.



*Massive simplification of the history. Don't quote me on it.

OANST 01-20-2010 02:12 PM

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I sort of semi-agree and majorly disagree with you. I don't get the logic of anyone who would try to change religion; for instance the Reform streams of Judaism who, when they started, had big meetings* to decide what parts of the tradition and texts to keep and which to ignore. I mean, if you're doing that, you're not following the religion any more.

That said, I do believe in interpreting the traditions and texts through the filter of the modern world. For instance, in Judaism there are rules about decency and modesty in dress and behaviour. The most extreme example of this is that Ultra-Orthodox women have to be dressed completely covered from neck to ankles and also have their hair covered after marriage. They're also not allowed to sing in front of men. The primary reasoning for this is so as not to inflame sexual urges in the men who look at/listen to them. On the other hand, Modern-Orthodox Jews say that standards of decency are a cultural thing, and that women should be able to wear pants or t-shirts if they want to, simply because that's what everyone wears today and we're used to seeing it.



*Massive simplification of the history. Don't quote me on it.

When I'm being fair-minded I also only semi-agree with my previous statements. I find it difficult to be fair minded when dealing with religion, though. As I said to WoF earlier, "My lack of belief in god is logical. My hatred of religion is personal". I'm able to calmly and rationally investigate my findings and reasonings for not believing in god. The fact that I was so grossly misused by the church is not what caused my lack of faith. My lack of faith is what caused the church to so grossly misuse me. So, anyone thinking of using that argument on me can fuck right off.

Sekto Springs 01-20-2010 02:26 PM

I don't really think there are bad religions (well, there are certainly some), just bad people who use religion as a scapegoat.

It is capable to be religious and fair-minded, perhaps not logical, but at least fair-minded. Anyone who reads in the bible that it's okay to subjugate women, throw stones at sinners, and condemn those of opposing faiths and believes it was either foolish or bad to begin with.
This is why I think religion should be a choice, and I think it's sick that people like you, Mat, were subjected to such a cruel environment during a time in your life when you did not have the capacity to make your own rational decisions. I'm simply glad you grew out of it as opposed to becoming another ravenous bible-thumper.

The Amish sort of had the right idea in giving their kin a choice. Trouble is, they cram religion down their throat all through childhood and don't give them a choice until it's too late.

Not all religions call for an all-or-nothing deal though. Christianity is certainly one of the zanier dogmas out there, but even it has factions that don't advocate extremes.

OANST 01-20-2010 02:29 PM

No. I said fuck religion. Good day, sir.

Sekto Springs 01-20-2010 02:32 PM

Religion as in Religion *spooky organ music*
or Religion as in collective spiritual beliefs?

ie Buddhism is technically a religion, even though it's not.

Mac Sirloin 01-20-2010 02:44 PM

What did Jesus learn when he went to China?
Jew-Do

Nate 01-20-2010 02:47 PM

No, that's what you call a Jewish family celebration, like a wedding or bar mitzvah.

Sekto Springs 01-20-2010 03:05 PM

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What did Jesus learn when he went to China?
[geek] Technically Judo is Japanese [/geek]

*snort*

Alcar 01-20-2010 03:10 PM

I had to.

http://www.oddworldforums.net/attach...1&d=1264036075

Alcar...

shaman 01-20-2010 03:13 PM

I was wondering why my sensai spoke Hebrew.

skillya_glowi 01-20-2010 06:32 PM

Logic, I think, is no better than faith as a foundation for beliefs. Logic --- theoretically, at least, usually not practically --- is self-defeating, because of those two words that are so pernicious to any logician: "What If?" Any statement created using those words would technically be logically sound, but could also contradict itself, and, of course, there is no way to "disprove" a What If, so it remains valid possibility.

I'm quite aware of this fact, and after asking myself the question, "What If God exists?", have decided that the "scientific" explanation of the universe is just as ill-conceived as creationism. If, for instance, you say that the Big Bang theory or the Membrane theory or whatever your heart desires is corroborated by mathematics, how would you know that mathematics even worked at the time of the occurrence, or was not something completely different altogether? Mathematics is an abstract science, and only gains practicality when we assign certain representations to symbols known as numbers. Numbers by themselves do not exist. There may be such a thing as one foot, or one pound, but there is no such thing as one, or at least not in this world. It's an illusory idea, really.

That said, I really despise the idea of just-add-water religion. Following tenets without question that are given to you by other men seems to me, to say the least, bizarre. In regards to what you said, Splat --- a slave, even in a palace, or at the throne of God itself, remains at the end of the day only a slave at heart; whereas a king, be he king of a wasteland or of nothing but himself, has the heart of a king, and is master over himself; I find this sufficient. After all, I am the only thing I have; I am not yet so mad as to put it in another's power. But perhaps your choice may be different.

Sekto Springs 01-20-2010 06:50 PM

Go humanism!

skillya_glowi 01-20-2010 08:17 PM

I don't think I'd call it humanism, though. Humanism, if you'll notice, rejects the idea of the supernatural and places an emphasis on dry, empirical reason. I believe instinct and emotion are very natural and powerful parts of human nature, and they oughtn't be underplayed.

Sekto Springs 01-20-2010 08:33 PM

Pure humanism perhaps, but I subscribe only to the idea that my own values and interests come ahead of most anything else including any external, collective governing body be it spiritual or otherwise. This does not mean I don't think humanist values and spirituality cannot co-exist, especially considering I don't pursue any spiritual endeavors that aren't self-serving in some way. :p

Wings of Fire 01-21-2010 02:43 AM

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Logic, I think, is no better than faith as a foundation for beliefs. Logic --- theoretically, at least, usually not practically --- is self-defeating, because of those two words that are so pernicious to any logician: "What If?" Any statement created using those words would technically be logically sound, but could also contradict itself, and, of course, there is no way to "disprove" a What If, so it remains valid possibility.

I'm quite aware of this fact, and after asking myself the question, "What If God exists?", have decided that the "scientific" explanation of the universe is just as ill-conceived as creationism. If, for instance, you say that the Big Bang theory or the Membrane theory or whatever your heart desires is corroborated by mathematics, how would you know that mathematics even worked at the time of the occurrence, or was not something completely different altogether? Mathematics is an abstract science, and only gains practicality when we assign certain representations to symbols known as numbers. Numbers by themselves do not exist. There may be such a thing as one foot, or one pound, but there is no such thing as one, or at least not in this world. It's an illusory idea, really.

That said, I really despise the idea of just-add-water religion. Following tenets without question that are given to you by other men seems to me, to say the least, bizarre. In regards to what you said, Splat --- a slave, even in a palace, or at the throne of God itself, remains at the end of the day only a slave at heart; whereas a king, be he king of a wasteland or of nothing but himself, has the heart of a king, and is master over himself; I find this sufficient. After all, I am the only thing I have; I am not yet so mad as to put it in another's power. But perhaps your choice may be different.

Logic is a candle in the darkness, faith is shining a high intensity spotlight at your own face.

Taco 01-21-2010 02:54 AM

I think there's a pretty much equal probability of there being a God than of no God/entity/afterlife/whatever. Only one way to find out...

Strike Witch 01-21-2010 03:09 AM

Why do you think that but.

MA 01-21-2010 03:14 AM

Taco, you worship ground beef chili and cheese. this is no place for you.

Taco 01-21-2010 03:22 AM

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Taco, you worship ground beef chili and cheese.

I like tomatoes and sour cream too.

MA 01-21-2010 03:28 AM

YOU CAN'T MIX THEM

you've got to choose. the meat or the cream.
didn't mean for that to be innuendo, but i can't be arsed to edit.

Nate 01-21-2010 03:57 AM

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YOU CAN'T MIX THEM

you've got to choose. the meat or the cream.

Since when do you keep kosher?

MA 01-21-2010 04:13 AM

i am Kosher.

MeechMunchie 01-21-2010 08:46 AM

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Taco, you worship ground beef chili and cheese.

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I like tomatoes and sour cream too.

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YOU CAN'T MIX THEM

you've got to choose. the meat or the cream.

Pfft. Who do you think he is, Fajito?

MA 01-21-2010 08:53 AM

probably a nacho aspiring to something out of their reach.

slig# 5719 01-21-2010 10:31 AM

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A couple of times now me and a good friend I'm in the room with have both reported having a sexual experience at the same time. We both seem to share largely the same feelings and experiences with eachother and it seemed to happen again and again whenever we were in close contact. I think we may have had a psychic link it was so uncanny.

I don't fully understand the sexual experience part, but I may have some information for you...

You or your friend (not both) may be experiencing something called "psionic empathy" what basically happens is one person feels something and the other picks it up and feels it themself. It's actually surprisingly common, although usually a person with psionic empathy picks up feelings from everyone around them in a short distance around them (varies from person to person).

You'd know if both of you were doing it (think of two radios close to each other).

Wings of Fire 01-21-2010 10:33 AM

We were indeed both doing it.

So if ever I'm asked about the sweat on the sheets 'Psionic empathy' is what I'll tell them.

Sekto Springs 01-21-2010 10:52 AM

I love how Joe feels the need to sneak in as much information about his sex life as possible in every single thing he posts.

Did I ever tell you about the time Joe touched my penis?