Well, things may have to get much worse before they get much better. May the infrastructure crumble; a very exciting prospect! :)


Kastere, a little something for you:

http://www.oddworldforums.net/attach...1&d=1241489574

So if you got the swine flu, and survived it.. Would that make you resistent to it in the future?

So far as the future consists of weeks. The Influenza virus is notorious for its fast evolution and mutant variations (nothing compared to HIV, of course).

You can't really become immune to flu. That's the problem, the best thing you can do is have a flu jab which contains the most common protection against the most common batches at that particular time (typically once a year, before xmas).

Wow... That sucks...

Anyway, whether this flu is actually threatening or not, I'm actually happy that the world organisations are working to stop(i hope they are).. All those saying it'll just be like the bird flu, are the ones who in the end will get hurt I think.

On the other hand, Is it possible to stop it? I think that halting it is the most that can be done. Otherwise we'd have to kill off all the pigs :(

It's already beyond pigs or any other animal. Human to human transitions have already been detected.

The weird thing is though that so far the strain has only made casualties in Mexico. In any other country it's just a really bad case of the flu, but not at all deadly.

Bad cases of the flu are deadly...

I meant bad cases of the flu that don't kill you. Like the kind that have you bed crippled for 2 weeks.

Mexico is a third world country. HMM

Other countries have competent medical systems that prescribe anti-viral medication. And, I might add, most of the Mexican deaths were from before they realised this was a specific strain of the flu. It was from those deaths that people started worrying.

The problem with bird flu was that the birds could migrate and kill humans worldwide, with no way of stopping it. Thankfully, that hasn't happened. Yet.

Swine flu is a bunch of useless jibberjabber. Anyone worried about shit like that is retarded. No offense to those with actual mental disabilities.

And the deaths in Mexico are partially due to a poor health care system, and the rest is cultural tradition. Most folk in them parts believe in riding out illness without assistance. And thus, a small unlucky portion (mainly in high risk groups) who might otherwise be able to beat the affliction die instead.

No, it is justified because of the behaviour of flu. When it dies out in the northern hemisphere, outbreaks spread to the south, and then it can come back. In the past new flu viruses have disappeared, then returned a few months later far more deadly. This already has human to human infection possible, all it needs now is to infect a single human or pig already infected with H5N1 to produce a new strain of virulent human-human infection with a mortality rate of 60%.

Shhhh! You'll scare everyone shitless! :|

Methinks this guy is smart.

It's Thunderf00t. Of course you think he's smart.


He is.

I looked up at Seattle Times for the statistics for cases right now.

• Est. 6,778,175,505 world pop right now.
• Est. 1,900 worldwide cases right now.

That means that (1,900 / 6,778,175,505) .00000002803% of the world population is infected with Swine Flu as of today.

And out of this number, only 44 have died from it, maybe 43 since the baby was reportedly already sickly.

OH SHIT

Your missing the point. There's no reason to be worried, YET. But like scientists say, like the guy in that video says: this virus has the actual potential to become a pandemic unlike the regular flu. When that happens you'll see those numbers sky rocket in less then a month.

Also, very informative video. Certainly some things in there I didn't know.

How much worse who it be without the WHO, I ask you?

A lot worse.


When it comes to new diseases, cynicism kills. Thunderf00t made that quite clear. This is how all deadly pandemics start, but it is also where they are stopped before they happen.

Ouch. Crash and burn for the Media Hype. That is, if more people were to actually invest in some facts for themselves.

I smelled a dirty pig all along.

True, but cynicism is caused by crying wolf one time too many.

When the act of crying wolf scares the wolf away! If it were not for the WHO, I don't doubt at all that SARS would have been the pandemic we've been anticipating. Bird flu hasn't gone away either, only the media's interest in it.

Chris Redfield has been sent by the government to combat swine flu, so stop worrying. The infected tend to grow a snout, hooves and a springy tail upon infection. The government has insisted that swine flu has NOTHING to do with a shadowy mega corporation.

Just be clear.

WHY DON'T YOU STAY:'(

Your whole attitude towards Swine Flu strikes me as naive, you are listening to and buying into the scaremongering. At the moment, it is reckoned this is equal to or worse than regular influenza in terms of fatality.

Regular influenza kills a lot of people, but most people have a residual immunity from similar previous strains that prevents the spread. Nobody has a resistance to swine flu, meaning that if proper precautions are not made, very quickly orders of magnitude more people could catch it than ever catch regular flu, which means orders of magnitude more deaths and no way to contain it. And more people catching it means it is more likely for one person to catch it and another strain of flu at the same time (ie bird flu) which means we could then have a particularly lethal strain spreading just as fast on our hands.

Ignore the media's "scaremongering". The WHO is at a level 5 alert for a reason, and it is people who actually know something about infectious diseases, not over-excitable journalists, who you should be listening to.

As I've said before, the simplest of precautions (ie washing hands regularly) can have massive effect on inhibiting the spread of a respiratory virus. Ignoring this advice due to cynicism or apathy costs lives.

Christ.

The WHO is at level 5 because they softened the levels after SARS so that the levels would be upgraded sooner and scare the public.

The only difference I can discern between pre and post revision is that post revision phases are much clearer about what constitutes each phase.

I believe the changes to which I was referring were made in 2004-5ish.

I can only find National Preparedness Guidance revisions for 2005, the first since 1999, which included the above pandemic phase levels, but no indication of a six-phase system being in use prior to that.

You're a living Wikipedia, you know.

I have the feeling by the end of this year, the entire matter will most likely dissolve. Apparantly a vaccine is under way and will be ready for administration in the winter time where the virus is more likely to be active, so most likely by Spring, it'll be all gone.

At least how I see it.

Understatement of the century, BM can't be edited by any old doofus <3.

I love you

I officially know someone who died of swine fly. Ryan Settlemoir (a Madison Heights police officer), died of the disease recently. We both went to the same private Baptist school, and he was a year older than me.

I'm sorry to hear that.

No you're not.

I'm not either, really.

I'm pretty sure my good friend Kale had Swine Flu last week. He lives right in Swine Flu Central (over the river, in the poorer suburbs) and was puking and coughing and coughing up puke and sore all over.

He didn't bother getting tested though.

Well since it's officially a pandemic now, I don't think we've seen the worst of it yet. There have been a few infections right here in my city. One two year old and a women in her 40's I think.

The flu used to be pretty small here but in the last two weeks the numbers more then doubled here. Going from 20 infections to more then 85. Most people just get really sick, no one has died yet. Though we have one person in the Intensive Care who is not doing so well last I heard.

How bout living in WI which is the most infected state :tard:

Pandemic relates only to distribution. A couple of cases on a couple of continents would suffice. But this does mean that there can be several distant outbreaks instead of just one.