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Bullet Magnet 01-27-2009 07:13 PM

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well by randomly I mean the sudden urge to be with other men. But I think that you are as bullet magnet said "predestined", or that the feeling slowly rises to the surface, which is in some way kind of the same as having the sudden urge, i guess. And I don't beleive in bi sexuals either >_< I mean it's cool in all but it just confuses me how you can't choose one sex over the other.

Some people eschew both sexes while retaining a sex drive.

Nate 01-27-2009 07:16 PM

Okay, I've wondered for a long time but now I have to ask: What do you think about when you wank, BM?



I'm hoping the answer is that you're reading magazine articles about string theory or somesuch

mitsur 01-27-2009 07:27 PM

Overstepping?

Bullet Magnet 01-27-2009 07:30 PM

Oxytocin, the taste of green and really thick wind.

Venks 01-27-2009 08:35 PM

I'm not quite sure where I fit in. I had a dominant mother and a missing father. Growing up I had two sisters and being very shy myself they were my only friends. So I played house with them and played with stuffed animals. I'm told the way I sit is very feminine like. I swear the only reason I don't cut my nails is because I'm lazy and the only reason they look so nice is because I was always told it was a bad habit to bite your nails.
Anyways when it comes to romance in a relationship I very much always wish I was in the female's position, but again I swear it's just cus I like romantic stuff and I'm just not the 'tough' kinda guy.

I've always been attracted to women and have had a couple really nice relationships with a few of them. I used to always be like, 'I have no problems with gayz as long as they don't hit on me lolol'. However one day in my silly sexual pursuits on xat.com/OWF I met Max. I had been hitting on girls all day, but hadn't been able to do anything with them so I was a bit frustrated. So anyways I decide to hit on Max for the lulz, but unlike the girls he wouldn't play with me any. Feeling that I was a sexual god I was determined to make Max want me. Instead I ended up finding myself wanting him more then anything. I'll never forget that pain. I was so embarrassed when I thought I had to yawn, but instead moaned very loudly.

Well I was very confused by these feelings thinking myself straight. I then thought I had just chosen to be 'gay', but I couldn't for the life of me find any other guys sexually interesting(this is before I met Joey boy of course). Not long after that I developed feelings for a very flirtatious girl at my school. I had managed to start crushing her real hard before I realized she wanted to be a dude. A lot of my friends began to tease me, calling me gay. I was always so quick to say that I wasn't gay like it was some sort of undesirable disease. My sister had been for a few years being very pro-gay(a fangirl who loves the Itachi x Sasuke pairing) and introduced me to a show called Queer as Folk. I felt so embarrassed renting the dvds, but I fell in love with the show and started to get a better understanding of how other people felt in similar situations. It was then that I believed I was pansexual. Sexually I was straight, but I knew there was more to a relationship then just sex and could be attracted to people of the same sex for different qualities.

The only thing that throws me off kilter is one day at school during spirit week there was a 'cross dressing' day. My sisters dressed up as guys and had an incredibly fun time helping me to look like a woman. I have to say the amount of attention I got was very surprising as normally most people didn't give me so much as a second glance. While my face was a dead give away, my body could easily be mistaken as a female's, and my characteristics matched. I wore a blond wig that covered most of my face to help disguise the fact I was a dude. I had been hit on by both girls and guys in my classes who were certain that I was a new student. My class mates in my Government class pointed out that I sat and acted like a woman with such ease they thought I had a lot of practice cross dressing, but it was my first and only time. Overall I had a blast doing it and am not sure exactly what that makes me.

Bullet Magnet 01-27-2009 08:41 PM

Spirit week?

Venks 01-27-2009 08:49 PM

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Spirit week?

Yeah. Has something to do with the football games at school, but I've never paid much attention to that. Spirit week is always a bunch of stupid things they ask us to do.
Like:
All blue day
Back to the past day
gender bender day
Tropical Islands day
Future day
Trick or Treat day
Twins day
Rebel day

I can't remember which 5 were the ones for my senior year in high school, but I know I only participated in gender bender day. Would of done Trick or Treat day and dressed as my Night Elf(Female ^^; ) character from WoW, but weapons aren't allowed in the school. What kind of warrior doesn't have a weapon?

Pilot 01-27-2009 09:13 PM

Venks, you sound hot.

I like guys who are mildly feminine, especially that display traits of both sexes which mesh together seamlessly into one, new type of a kind of 'third gender.'

I think that the way things are moving that the barriers between 'accepted' male and female traits, particularly 'sexual roles', are breaking down. This is exciting as I also see this as an important part of our own human maturity and evolution. Roles and stereotypes assigned per sex instead of by individual desire are becoming a thing of the past as we continue to 'grow up.'

Of course, I'll always advocate free individuality over preassigned roles of any kind. :)

skillyaslig 01-28-2009 12:45 AM

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I think you missed out a logical step somewhere there, skillyaslig.

It was a joke. I saw "GayAway Gum" being advertised. Me, I think it is one of the most stupidest things those hard-core Christians have come up with yet. I didn't actually mean to go out and buy it.

Nemo 01-28-2009 01:28 AM

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okay, me and one of my friends got in a fight about this: are you born gay, or do you become gay randomly?

I dislike both (common) sides of the argument. Preferences of any sort come from a mix of things, which I seperate into two general categories: Your environment and your brain.

Your upbringing, your life status, the people around you, and so on fall into the environment category.

Memories, your personality, your intelligence, how you react to your environment and so on fall into the brain category.


All of these react with eachother and determine which side gives you a stiffy or gets you wet.

Nate 01-28-2009 03:39 AM

By that definition, most of what's in the brain category comes from the environment.

Bullet Magnet 01-28-2009 05:59 AM

A lot does. But the idea that the mind is a blank slate at birth is as bogus as it is old.

Wings of Fire 01-28-2009 06:35 AM

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A lot does. But the idea that the mind is a blank slate at birth is as bogus as it is old.

Now now, all respect to Watson, it must have taken a lot to take a large, rich, complex and beautiful study of thoughts, feelings and emotions and brutally replace it with the narrow and contrived study of his own paradigm.

Nemo, you have some of your nature/nurture categories mixed up.

Munch's Master 01-28-2009 08:16 AM

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well by randomly I mean the sudden urge to be with other men. But I think that you are as bullet magnet said "predestined", or that the feeling slowly rises to the surface, which is in some way kind of the same as having the sudden urge, i guess. And I don't beleive in bi sexuals either >_< I mean it's cool in all but it just confuses me how you can't choose one sex over the other.

I don't think you can "not believe" in Bisexuality, as it does exist. As for whether certain people are bisexual, now that can be argued. Whether its a real preference or just because its considered fashionable.

As for the whole issue of whether you are born gay or turn gay, I am all but certain that genetics can play a significant role in it, more specifically chromosome, testosterone or hormone levels and types.

Pilot 01-28-2009 09:37 AM

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A lot does. But the idea that the mind is a blank slate at birth is as bogus as it is old.

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Now now, all respect to Watson, it must have taken a lot to take a large, rich, complex and beautiful study of thoughts, feelings and emotions and brutally replace it with the narrow and contrived study of his own paradigm.

The both of you are being ambiguous. Do you want to discuss matters or throw words around to make yourselves sound like there's some thought happening?

Bullet Magnet 01-28-2009 11:06 AM

We have a billion years' worth of evolution behind us, and we are spawned with a great deal of innate, evolved behaviour that is the most important influence in our entire lives.

Pilot 01-28-2009 01:18 PM

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We have a billion years' worth of evolution behind us, and we are spawned with a great deal of innate, evolved behaviour that is the most important influence in our entire lives.

:D

Are you talking about 'instinct' specifically?

Bullet Magnet 01-28-2009 01:28 PM

Maybe. What we think of as "instinct" and what we like to consider "other" aspects of human behaviour are not exactly distinct from one another.

Nemo 01-28-2009 01:28 PM

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By that definition, most of what's in the brain category comes from the environment.

Yes. Who you are is molded by your environment and your physical brain.

Wings of Fire 01-28-2009 02:24 PM

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The both of you are being ambiguous. Do you want to discuss matters or throw words around to make yourselves sound like there's some thought happening?

Don't complain about jokes you don't get?

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Yes. Who you are is molded by your environment and your physical brain.

Your brain is molded by your experience, neural networks and all that.

Nate 01-28-2009 04:16 PM

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A lot does. But the idea that the mind is a blank slate at birth is as bogus as it is old.

Oh, I don't disagree with you. I was just debating his defintion.

Nemo 01-28-2009 10:12 PM

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Don't complain about jokes you don't get?


Your brain is molded by your experience, neural networks and all that.

Your mind is. Your brain is just a physical object.

Nate 01-28-2009 11:33 PM

Yes. A physical object that is molded by its experiences. Where do you think the mind comes from? It's all to do with the interconnections between physical neurons. [/vast oversimplification]

Nemo 01-28-2009 11:41 PM

Yes, the mind comes from the brain.

Wings of Fire 01-29-2009 01:37 AM

Your mind is your brain, unless you're a dualist.

Expect a long post from BM sometime in the near future.

OANST 01-29-2009 06:02 AM

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Your mind is your brain, unless you're a dualist.

Expect a long post from BM sometime in the near future.

I always expect long posts from BM. I just don't usually read them.

Nemo 01-29-2009 12:15 PM

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Your mind is your brain, unless you're a dualist.

Expect a long post from BM sometime in the near future.

My definition of mind is a bit different from what is commonly accepted, I think.

What I mean when I say "mind" is an individual. Every personality trait, every like and dislike, every opinion, every psychological thing that makes you you.

Hazel-Rah 01-29-2009 12:32 PM

i don't think i ever met a gay person i didn't like

it's straight people that tend to piss me off lol

OANST 01-29-2009 12:35 PM

Oh, I have. I've met every type of person that I didn't like. There are also every type of person that I like.

I'm aware that those sentences make no sense.

Wings of Fire 01-29-2009 12:54 PM

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My definition of mind is a bit different from what is commonly accepted, I think.

What I mean when I say "mind" is an individual. Every personality trait, every like and dislike, every opinion, every psychological thing that makes you you.

That's called personal identity, you're confusing biology and metaphysics now.

Alcar 01-29-2009 01:14 PM

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i don't think i ever met a gay person i didn't like

it's straight people that tend to piss me off lol

Have you been to a gay bar/club? There are men in there that rival and even surpass the bitchiest and nastiest cheer leaders.

The majority of my friends are straight males, and I usually find I get along better with straight males as opposed to gay males.

Alcar...

Havoc 01-29-2009 01:14 PM

This discussion makes me think of an experiment that should be done at some point but prolly won't be because it's so immoral.

I'm just really curious what exactly would happen if you'd raise a child in a completely controlled environment. Like, don't talk to it, interact with it as little as possible aside from nurture and stuff. It would be very interesting to see what would happen to this individual after 10 or 20 years. How he would look and act.

Wings of Fire 01-29-2009 01:24 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_H...infant_monkeys

There are also a variety of naturalistic observations about feral children, there is a pretty complete list on Wikipedia.

Nemo 01-29-2009 05:43 PM

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That's called personal identity, you're confusing biology and metaphysics now.

Elaborate, please.