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Wil 12-19-2006 11:28 AM

I thought that image was of a very poorly Mudokon, as per the Health State progression that was planned for Munch’s Oddysee. I also don’t know whether Mudombies were actually planned for gameplay. But I had always thought Mudokons had nostrils above and between their eyes—​which is something of a motif for inhabitant design.

skillya_glowi 12-19-2006 10:05 PM

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Ah, I'm tempted to spam coz I've just been random spamming Lord Vulcher's forum, it felt so good to do that!
My name is I_Hate_Creator on the site! Lolness!

And I'm Monsieur Arsehole, but I got banned very quickly. Welcome to the club!

...:fuzemb: Damn, serious off-topicking.

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I thought that image was of a very poorly Mudokon, as per the Health State progression that was planned for Munch’s Oddysee

Wasn't that the one where it said "What little I get is toxic" picture though? That one that Glokstar put down wasn't it, I think.

Xavier 12-19-2006 10:30 PM

http://www.oddworldlibrary.net/archi...=RAMO0097.jpg4

this is more a mudokon that has been exposed to a lot of unplesant stuff :p

Zerox 12-20-2006 12:00 PM

That looks...painful.
Jordan Boi, that's a picture of Abe from the cover of the AO game, and the link works for me.

SilverTwilight05 12-20-2006 12:56 PM

It always looked to me that Mudokons should have noses up between their eyes...but I could never seen any nostrils that would empty into a nasal cavity. Though, that would explain the tone of their voices...
Anyway, I think a while back someone mentioned that perhaps there were olfactory organs in their mouths, which would allow them to smell things without having to put a nose on their faces.

Jordan 12-20-2006 02:23 PM

Ooh... That Mudokon looks very sore! :p I wonder what happened to the poor guy? Did he eat something really hot or poisonous?

Zerox 12-21-2006 04:22 AM

As for that half dead Mudokon, is he just malnourished? Because he reminds me of those skeleton children from Africa when they don't get enough food to eat...
Where'd that picture come from?

Xavier 12-21-2006 04:33 AM

It was from some content published on gamespot, I think it's removed now :(

glokstar 12-21-2006 05:18 AM

Spoiler!!!! :p

I found it on the OW Bonus DVD.

EDIT: Oh, never mind u didnt mean what i posted, sorry.

Firetalion 12-21-2006 12:53 PM

Well, the thread started out, "How does Abe breath?", and the answer to that is obviously through his mouth. I think you answered that already, and I don't mean to sound pompus or anything, but

He breathes through his mouth, because it would be just like the gluckons to even work to control their slaves breathing. They have no other air holes, and even the ones with stitched lips can open their mouths if they work for it and stretch their skin hard enough. Making them work to breath, with a side effect of not being able to easily talk, or eat either for that matter, sounds like industrial oddworld 100%.

As for if and how they smell... From the thought I've put into it, I'll have to go with they don't have any sense of smell. Not a physical one like humans or dogs would have at least. In their earlier sketches in the art book, the guy who would end up as Abe started out by looking basically amphibian. Or of the close relative of an amphibian. Looking at Abe close like that, you really get an idea that he can't smell. I sure as hell wouldn't want to evolve a sense of smell in the places mudokons need to go to work, and what they needed to work around.

Your guess is as good as mine tho.

Goresplatter 12-21-2006 04:40 PM

Sorry if it's kinda been brought up before but... Mudokons, must have a sense of smell, surely, because when you stand next to one and fart on AE, they say 'Whoof!' and take a step away. Surely they wouldn't take a step back if they couldn't smell it? If they haven't got some sort of nose somewhere, I'd have to go with the 'tasting smells' like a snake theory,

glokstar 12-21-2006 05:09 PM

I dont know. I just find it so funny that we talk about this. He might very well breath and smell through his toes but he might not. This is so strange to me, cause people tell their interesting ideas, but they only stay interesting ideas for ever. I am tempted to do that too cause its a really interesting topic.

But then we might as well ask: how do Glukkons eat??? :p And many other questions.

Arxryl 12-21-2006 05:36 PM

how do Glukkons eat? they probably have some tables that are nearly eye level and then chow down so they don't have to bend over. Or maybe they don't eat in public because they don't wish to be disrespected among others.

Just my theory...

Zerox 12-22-2006 01:45 AM

^LOL. Ish. Just sounds funny...
Mudokons smell somehow, obviously. It may be that they have a far superior sense of taste to us and so can sort of taste the air when breathing. This has sorta happened to me, but only with very strong scents.
But I reckon however they smell, can't result in it being much stronger than ours. Birds do not, as a general rule, have a good sense of smell. The only one I can think of off the top of my head that does is the Kiwi, and I doubt Mudokons evolved from Kiwis.
The mudokon tongue as it is is similar to that of a frog, in the sense it can snap out to grab prey such as flies or something. But it is far more thick and muscular, which is how they talk with it also. It may also help them make those amazing whistles.
Since they primarily appear to use their tongue to feed, in a sense, a powerful sense of taste would be thought of.
Or, perhaps, as the air goes down seperate tubes from the mouth to stomach or lungs, somewhere there they perhaps have scent receptors, like the ones inside our noses, just placed further down the osaphagus. Or maybe even in the lungs themselves, or just outside them. Who knows.

Albino Slig 12-22-2006 11:05 AM

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Maybe his butt is his nose, since he likes using it... :p


That's what I was thinking but on Abes exodus whan you walk right by a mudoken and turn around and fart in there face the go "Eww!" Try it. I KNOW it works. Hey guys. This is why its called "ODDworld."

magic9mushroom 01-03-2007 04:41 PM

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I am sure they all smell. I mean if OWI put some kind of logic into making these creatures up (which they should have, and im sure they did), than they dont dont split evolution in two saying these guys breath these dont. Think logically: most if not all OW creatures are put out against the same or very similar tipe of environments. even in a factory there is clean enough air to survive. It would not have made sense to niglect the fact that there is air. Evolution takes adventage of the environment.

If it would worth it there would be creatures on eart who dont need oxygen, but there are none such.

There are creatures that don't need oxygen, and even ones that are poisoned by it. eg botulinum bacteria.

About smelling, Sligs can certainly smell (AE intro) and also probably have a nose in all those fleshy tentacles. IMHO, the nose and mouth are separate in Sligs.

Nauj Zurc Leicam 01-05-2007 07:17 PM

What about a pic of a mudokon´s skelleton?

Xavier 01-06-2007 12:38 AM

I'm sorry but they are only in the book, and we don't allow scans to be posted here

Oddys 01-06-2007 05:05 AM

Maybe he breath through his skin, like amphibians do under water.

Could be the reason for their few clothing.

Nauj Zurc Leicam 01-06-2007 07:30 AM

isn´t it cuz he use to be a slave?

Oddys 01-06-2007 07:50 AM

All mudokons wear this. Not only the slaves.

Jordan 01-06-2007 08:06 AM

What I don't get is why they wear them, I mean, it said that Abe's private bits were cut off when he was working at Rupture Farms on the official OW site, so that must apply to all worker class Muds, so why do they wear loincloths? They have nothing to hide... But I suppose it's for decoration or some other reason!

Oddys 01-06-2007 08:11 AM

Mudokon have bottys. ;)

Jordan 01-06-2007 08:33 AM

I'm sorry but... What's a bottys? :p

Oddys 01-06-2007 08:35 AM

A botty? That's your ass. :dodgy:

Jordan 01-06-2007 08:37 AM

Oh yeah... I'm being stupid today, my mind's gone blank, why did I say bottys!?

Oddys 01-06-2007 08:43 AM

A german shows an american how to speak english. That's odd. :D


The reason for their cloathing was to hide their asses and maybe some other things. ;)

Wil 01-06-2007 10:09 AM

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I mean, it said that Abe's private bits were cut off when he was working at Rupture Farms on the official OW site, so that must apply to all worker class Muds, so why do they wear loincloths?

I’m quite certain it doesn’t say that. Glukkons may remove their eyes, stitch their lips together, cut off their ponytails and remove any cultural fashion, but what would be the point of removing genitals whose only function is likely to be urination?

E'l Scrabino 01-06-2007 03:11 PM

You strike up a good point there, Max.
But i read somewhere that Mudokons have no genitals because the only female around is/are the queen(s)... The loinclothes are decoration, me thinks.

Slaveless 01-06-2007 04:29 PM

I think Alf had clarified in one answer to a fan that Mudokons wear loinclothes for fashion. I remember one of them at least. Actually, I think the profile for Abe says that since he is in the Worker Class for Mudokons, he has no sexual organs. Not exactly they cut their sexual organs off.

magic9mushroom 01-06-2007 11:31 PM

Although he has no sexual organs, he has a projection for removing urine, which is probably covered up for the obvious reason.

moxco 01-07-2007 01:01 AM

Listen up guys, this is oddworld abe could breath through his bum for all we know.

Zerox 01-07-2007 02:00 AM

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That is the most insane idea ever, Mox.
But you do kinda have a point. But it sees unlikely. They'd suffocate if they got constapated or something.
In the book, a full colour scale map (for the computer models) was shown of Abe. Buttocks were represented, but there was nothing in the front. The developers did actually colour all that was normally hidden by the loincloth, so I presumed they had nothing there, even for urinating.
The loincloths are worn for cultural reasons, whether it be fashion or a specific part of their history that is important to them.

glokstar 01-07-2007 12:37 PM

Well... I dont know but im pretty sure that in the AE movie when Abe falls out of Necrum Mines into Necrum, and lands on a mammoth-like creatures skull and lands on its (theeth??) and hurths himself right between the legs... well he makes a face that shows he has testicles or a sexual organ of some kind. It is unmistakeable a face most guys make in movies when they get hit in the balls.

Jordan 01-07-2007 12:39 PM

The inside bits of the legs, where they join to the body, really hurt when hit there, trust me... It could have just been his legs, or the tooth/tusk could have gone up his ass, you never know!

Nate 01-07-2007 03:58 PM

Yup, that sort of landing would hurt no matter where it hit you. Genitalia are not necessary for this event.

Oddys 01-07-2007 04:12 PM

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Maybe he breath through his skin, like amphibians do under water.

Could be the reason for their few clothing.

No opinions about this?

Nate 01-07-2007 07:01 PM

Clearly not.

But I would call it unlikely, as respiration through absorption only works when the skin surface area to body mass ratio is high enough. As objects (and thus creatures) get larger, the mass increases at double the rate of the surface area - imagine a cube then another one double as high, wide and thick; the surface area is four times the size of the original but the mass is eight times. So a large creature like a mudokon could probably not respire through the amount of oxygen available through the skin.

aaj111 01-08-2007 07:43 AM

We still haven't figured this out? Can't we just say that Abe can breathe and smell through his mouth. and that Abe may not have Sexual Organs due to his Class, but you do know that whether or not he does or not, hitting that thing hard would still hurt any part of your body. :P

Bullet Magnet 01-08-2007 09:40 AM

You can have sexual organs and still be infertile. I suspect that they are like that of underdeveloped Drones.