Wows rexy, I love you :P
Anyway, I have a brief point I'd like to make here. Several members have said that we have to consider the way children of gay parents would be treated at school, right?
So if you're going to condemn gay adoption over this, what about the children of people with Down's syndrome? Autism? Children with parents of different races? Heck, what about children's teachers? O_o
Three points if you spot the sarcasm.

DS-You need to stop presenting opinions as facts. And once you've done that you need to fact check your opinions. Homosexuals are temptated by Satan? No.1-because I feel like being a jerk I'm going to point out that temptate isn't a word. No.2-Do you know what the highest suicide rate is in America? It's homosexual christians. They can't change who they are and since they believe that what they are is pure evil they fall into a well of self hatred. If they could change this, don't you think they would? But that isn't the point. The point is why should they? Who does it hurt? If you can tell me who or what homosexuality hurts then I will be more than happy to join your anti-gay movement. But you can't. Your only answer is (and I quote) "derrrr, cause god said so". If you don't know why something is wrong and yet you believe it is then that makes you very stupid. Very, very stupid. I don't think your stupid so come up with a reason, please.

yeah, now all we need is for this country to get with the program. ****ing Bush and his ****ing homosexual-hatred. What right is it of his to impede on the rights of Americans? Not everyone in the country is in this little homophobic bubble with him, and not everyone is a bible-thumper.

One thing I don't get is why the hell people use the bible as a law. And why Homosexual marriage is forbidden at all. I mean c'mon, not everyone share the Bible's point of view on Homosexuals. If not because of the Bible, then why should Homosexuality be illegal? As said by many other here, it doesn't harm anyone.
It annoys me so much that people are trying to force their religion's pint of view on other.

Anyways, i really think that gays and lesbians should be allowed to adopt a child. Not all children with homosexual parents get picked on. But i don't know haw many and stuff, so umm yea...

Plus, "they'll get picked on" has to be the dumbest argument known to man. You show me a kid that hasn't gotten made fun of and I'll mail you a rainbow.

Milz me ol' hartey! You never told me you posted you slimey sea-dog. Yarr, avast and what have ye. [Pirate love fo'evuhz <3] But I thought you'd like this thread, when I posted this I thought about you and how you'd love to have children one day with your lover. :p

I agree with OANST, of course a child may be picked on due to their parent's sexuality but who hasn't been bullied for one reason or another? There've been plenty of articles in magazines [Sugar and whatnot] as Gay couples marriage has been legalised, about people who have gay families and who love them and such. As long as you love each other what does it matter?

- Rexy

And perhaps even, once kids see that their friends have gay parents and/or they visit their friends houses and see that homosexuality is not as creepy/wierd/dangerous as they've been led to believe, then there will be significantly less teasing both of children of gay couples and of gay kids themselves.

Or to put it another way: this may confront kids to rethink their attitude about homosexuality when they actually meet and get to know some gay people rather than just laughing about the strangely dressed people on the train.

Heck, if you have two realy hot women for parents, you might even get a shitload of respect from most the guys in your school XD.

Hm, question! Is there anything about homosexuality, religion, or sexual preferance in the constitution? Cuz if there isn't (or depending on what it says), then Bush doesn't even have the right to say the things he's saying, or to make the laws he's making.

T-nex: In America, the bible IS the law. Although more and more people start to see that a 2000 year old book might not be such a good thing to follow anymore...
A while ago a news channel here in the Netherlands had a series about America and it's (in our eyes) extreme sides. One episode was about religion, noting a lot of the bad sides (it gets in millions of dollars, ect) but also stated that religion goes very deep in America. It's what the country is build on. But most of us in Europe can't seem to understand that, because most of the countries around here have such a heavy religion regiem.
But dispite that, I still think America takes their religion way to far. It's just a book, a dusty old book...

America's law is not based on the bible. I can tell you that. Wehn our constitution was written, it was intended NOT to side with religion. It's the ****ing republicans which have let business slide in with government and weakened the separation between Church and State.

Hell yeah. Just cos yer sexy :P

Anyway. The Government can't write its predudices into law anymore, but what it can do is preserve old laws that do the job for it. Look at the Age of Consent in England--if that isn't predjudice, then I'm a mongoose.
But the point I'm making here is that although homosexual adoption is technically allowed, you can bet your sweet arse that the authorities won't make it an easy ride. We can preach tolerance until we're blue in the face, but until these blocks are removed we can't realy have a society of equality.
Oh yeah, speaking of America's constitution, which everyone seems to be so proud of--doesn't that preach equality?

Not the original. It valued a black man at 3/5 of a person.

Am I the only one who thinks that, with each major social problem, religion is involved?

[opinion]
I think homosexuals should be able to adopt.
One, as someone mentioned, the reason that females can get impregnated, while males can't.
And two, just because I then can take pleasure out of the fact that religion "lost" again. Just like a lot of Muslims lost their lives to religious opinions. And many others as well.
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Just 'cos Millie's a lesbian. :p BTW I thought the age of homosexual sexual consent [Does that make any sense?] had been lowered to 16. I know it used to be 18, but I'm not sure... [But I wouldn't mind seeing you in a mongoose suit. Smexy.]

Only you would say something like that. :p;) But yeah, I can see how it could. :p

But yeah, what is the US constitution like on this sorta subject?

- Rexy

What about poverty, the proliferation of gambling, drug abuse and the spread of STDs?

Poverty? Why is "God" not helping them?
Gambling? Is that even a social problem? I think it rocks teh socks! *goes of, playing Strippoker*
Drug abuse? Helloooo! Why did "He" put them plants on the face of the Earth anyways?
STD's? No problem with condoms and such! Oh wait, the church is against them!

Many lethal droogs are produced in labs.

Why the hell did I just say that?

That really doesn't answer my question AlphaScrab. In all cases, religion does not make them worse. I'm talking from a non-believer's perspective here.

And in terms of STDs, at least in the First World, I think you'll find that most people that are catching STDs aren't the sort to not use condoms because of religious dogma - if they believed that condoms were wrong then they'd also count sex before marriage as wrong.

In case you think I'm overdoing a bit with me answers, then I say yer overdoing a bit with yer questions. I mean jus' look at the ones ya already have asked me to answer; all are based on the same theory and what I can answer appear to be the same answers as before, jus' from a different angle.


Homosexuality is unatural and - I may be quite annoying 'bout my "cuz-God -said-so-thing" but this is what I believe in and what I'm about to do the rest of my life. And it'll be hard for you to change my mind - I can tell ya that:evil: anyway back to the subject...

If other christians are homosexual then it's their problem, not mine and if they want to make suicide - then it's up to them, I can't tell or command them to, all I can do is to pray for them to get free from "their problem/s".



So to make a long story short.

Yes I believe that it would hurt, jus' not to mention the people, but God himself. God created Humans, man and woman. When he sees us doing the wrong thing with our lives then He gets sad and disappointed. All he wanted from us was that we should love, praise and follow Him. And when christians decide to get homosexual then they don't walk the way that God has chosen for them; they also walk their own way, the worldly way which the evil wants to make us go.

There is just one thing; GOD. He got all the answers, because he knows everything. But the Humans do have a free will and an own life to make their own decisions, God gave it to them from the first begining. I do believe that there is a solution for everything. And that includes those who got this problem. (According to my religion).


No, it doesn't. In fact ya got my reason, many times before ya asked me to answer this one. I don't want to make anybody angry or terribly disappointed here at me - I'm jus' the way I am and if you can't respect that, then you're not worth anything of it back.



~DS~

Um.... I don't mean to be offensive here, But you really sound brainwahsed.... Either that, or your ignorant or whatever. Well if you really choose to follow God, it's not my problem, I respect that, but there are just some facts that really conradict your beliefs. i might be wrong though.

Homosexuals can't help who they are. They are born like that(or im not quite sure), but they can't change it. I guess it also is because of the way you grew up. You don't become a homosexual because you choose to be, you just are.

Bleh, I might be wrong, but who knows? Also i believe that from the moment, we evolved into intelligent beings, we seperated us from the animals, and all these things that are going on in our world change us drastically. The unnatural becomes natural, and soon there will be room for everyone...

No.1. You still haven't answered the question. You pretend to but there isn't an actual reason in your little thesis. Or maybe I just can't understand your broken english.

No.2. It's been like two months since i posted that. I hope it didn't take you that long to create that explosion of half formed ideas and spelling errors.

No.3. I'm an asshole. I know this to be true. But I'm still right.:)

No1. yer right when it comes to "my broken english" there has to be some sort of mistake or missunderstanding:fuzconf: anyway...

No2. actually I've been thinking, been too lazy and the last couple of weeks being ill:( (been having a real bad cold) otherwise I had written an answer earlier.

No3. Everybody can make misstakes, don't ya worry - nobody's perfect;)



They can't change it, but God can. And yes I've been grown up with the biblical rules and laws that are written and I'm proud of what I am. I don't know if I'm missunderstanding this, but do ya prupose that I'm actually a homosexual:confused:? cuz if ya are then I got an answer right for ya: I'm NOT.


~DS~

No... I don prupose that you are Homo lol... I meant You, as mankind in general...

EDIT: Btw, if God can change them from being Homosexuals, then why doesnt he?? :-/

Heh. As a semi-religious person it irritates me when people make half-arsed attempts at defending religion. I actually started writing a post defending Dancing Steef. Then I remembered I was gay.

Suffice to say that there are better answers to your questions that would be satisfying even to a thoughtful and questioning religious person (and may even make sense to you, though you wouldn't agree with them, of course) but you'd have to actually think about your religion before you came up with them.

I'm sure he can. But he doesn't.

I know plenty of gay people from many streams of religions, all of whom (and I'm including myself here) have wished, hoped and prayed to their various gods to be 'normal'. It has never and will never work. I'm currently living under the theory that either god wants me to be gay or he's roughly ambivalent. Either way, I'm happy.

DS I am a christian too, but gays cant help that they are gay. They do not choose to be gay they just are. They do not walk the path of evil, when they reject God they walk the path of evil. For that is the only unforgivable sin.

That's a good question. I think that it depends on the human herself. She does choose either she wants to stay homo or if she wants to change. And if the human wants to find help from God, then she has to pray for it. She can't jus' say that she wants to become normal - she has to mean it as well. So my point here is; Humans who are homo's and want to become normal can change; they have to mean that they want to. Otherwise if they jus' pray to God and don't actually believe that He can help 'em then it won't work.


Then why? If you want to change then ya don't only have to pray and mean it, but ya also have to be patient. When God's healing a person it can take long or short time. And He wants to make us grow stronger in our faith and for that matter he also wants us to grow stronger in our prairs.

My grandma ain't a homo, but I can tell ya something else about her. When she first figured it out that she had problems with her eyes then she decided to make an operation. She didn't want to do it, so she asked to God heal her. the day came when she was about to do the operation, the doc made a research on her, but what he figured out was that she almost had a perfect sight. My grandma didn't have to make this surgery, because she prayed and believed that God could heal her. I still can't believe that it happend, but I very happy that she made it, with God's help.


~DS~

That post makes me want to commit suicide. Even more than normal.

Okay Dancing Steef, go you for having your own belief, but call homosexuality a decease or something that needs to be cured, one more time, and I will sooooo kick your ass to the point where you can never sit down again.

FACT: People do not CHOOSE to be gay.

FACT: Humans are not the only species showing gay behavior.

FACT: Not everything in the bible needs to be followed to the letter.

FACT: Not everyone is religious (thankfully)

I'd disagree with you on that point and I'm quite sure Dancing Steef will too. You really need to learn how to talk to religious people.

Perhaps the point you were trying to make was that everything in the bible needs to be looked at carefully and independantly without relying on old dogma. Thus look at that link from a while back which was entirely bible-based and was merely a new interpretation.

Yes, God wants us to grow stronger in our faith. But when He takes a lifetime to answer a heartfelt prayer, He can only expect people to lose their faith. And I'm sure you're aware of the saying that God never gives someone a test that He knows they will fail. Therefore, as far as I'm concerned, they didn't fail and therefore homosexuality is not a test.

EVERYONE'S TEARING EACHOTHER APART!!!

lollerz!!! there are gay penguins in Germany. They didn't have any girl ones, so they went homo. They tried to bring in girl penguins but they didn't want them. the townsfolk got mad :flames:

Yes I'm aware of that. Let me give ya some facts of my own...

Everything that happen around us is God's will, but not everything is His active will. If I give ya a methaphor, then it might be a lil bit easier.

A judge has to follow all the rules that are written down in "his book of laws", and so does God, but with HIS own laws. Lets say that the judge's son gets drunk, steals a car and kills a person. The cops brings him to the judge to get his sentence. In this case the father doesn't want his son to be imprisoned, (his passive will) because he loves him so much, but he still has to follow the law. If the judge doesn't follow the law then he isn't true in his word, and because that it is his son that has done this foolish things doesn't mean that his son is innocent.

the devil is a thief, liar and a deceiver and the only thing he wants to do is to slaughter and destroy God's image, the humans. He wants to drive us away from the light - the fellowship with God. The devil can do it in many ways and one of them is to make people to judge wrong and fill us with arrogance.


What do ya have against sick people? To be sick ain't outrageous or humiliating.

Says who?:)



~DS~

true, not everybody follows it to the letter, but DS does, I follow it to every other sentance :D jk, I'm pretty strict, but when it comes to debating the subject. I'm not all that good

You so need your ass kicking. It isn't a disease and it doesn't need to be cured. It needs to be accepted by people. Damn religious people stopping the progression of society. If anyone is sick and wrong it is you.

And about following the bible to the letter. I strongly disagree with that. I mean, I'm an antitheist, but even the strongest christian must admit that you have to be slightly open minded about bible enterpretations.
You really are just proving yourself to be a close-minded, intolerant, stupid individual.

Bravo Rich, bravo.

This next bit may be proving my own ignorance, but whatever happened to "loving your neighbor," DS?

my parents are actually pretty closed minded about everything anti whatever they believe. Be glad I'm not a direct minded descendant of them, or everybody would hate me:D

Nicely said rich , have a pat on the back.


Straight story.

There is nothing wrong with homosexual couples , I doesnt matter if they are man or woman . As long as they love each other , im fine with it all . They should be allowed to adopt , my best friends parents are lesbians , shes a test tube baby . But me and my friends and her friends have the common sense To not tease her about that . Lets remember we are all human beans , And dont have the right to treat people awfully just because the love someone of the same sex.

SO ARE TEN MILLION OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET!

If he drives me away from god, then... where do I sign up to go to hell? If being gay means I won't have to deal with that prick, then I'd turn gay in an instant. Oh wait no, I don't have to turn gay because I'm already in violation of another huge ass thing which is marked as a sin in the bible. But I'l let you figure that one out for yourself.

But what are you saying DS? That god is only powerfull when it fits the bibles story? Why isn't he stopping all the bullshit that goes on around this planet? Why are millions of people about to starve to death in Africa? Nice god you have, what a prick.

By claiming that homosexuality is a disease, DS, you've caused me to lose a lot of respect I had for you.

Yes, it goes against the basic rules of reproduction, but a lot of things human beings do these days goes against what nature had originally intended. It's just a biproduct of our ability to think and reason. Animals don't drive around in artificial vehicles, or build complex living systems, or even reshape their surroundings in the way we do. Just because something goes against what "nature intended" doesn't make it wrong. It simply reinforces the fact that we think for ourselves, and aren't driven by mindless, animalistic instinct, despite being animals ourselves.

Something else I'd like to add: People claim to "Let go, and let God," but from what I've seen, a lot of religious folk go far out of their way to butt in and put an end to things that go against their beliefs.

No offense, but that's really not anything that a non-religious person can possibly comment on.

Whilst I do agree with you that the bible should be open to discussion and interpretation, I also think that if you consider yourself religious (which I used to but don't currently) then you have to follow it to the letter, within your own interpretation.

So, to give a totally made up example, if the bible had a commandment "Thou shalt not attire thyself in garments tinted red" then you could decide to be strict and not wear dark orange or burgundy. Or you could be lenient and allow yourself to wear them and pink and purple as well - but not pure red. Or you could even do some research to prove that that commandment was actually directed at the High Priest when he conducted his annual Rainbow-Day services. But, as long as you considered yourself religious you could not decide to ignore that commandment entirely, just because you wanted to wear your new red sweater.

Gay marriage should be legal. They need to be as miserable as the rest of us :)
My best friend was a foster child, she was adopted by dozens of straight foster parents, and they were far from good people. She wouldn't have midned being adopted by a gay couple as long as they loved her and treated her the way parents should treat their children, adopted or not.

Religion's job is to reject science.

Science says: Earth is millions of years old!
Religion: REJECTED

Science says: You can't live after death
Religion: REJECTED

Science says: Homosexually is genetic
Religion: REJECTED.

And it's that demagogic 'holier than thou' bullshit that grinds my gears. There's nothing wrong with gay people, but religion has made 'gay' into a national stoning subject open for berating, in fact the term "gay" itself is used very commonly to express something as "bad" or "stupid" (even though at this point it's become habitual with some people like myself).

This is precisely why FOX needs to be dismantled and taken over by the "We Love Satan and Abortion" network.