Ok... ok... But could you just think clearly for a moment? If this was intended to be a bible thing discussion... then this wouldnt be here in the first place cuz we all know that the bible says this is wrong.
And personaly, I realy think ppl who just blindly follow everything in the bible and don't have an own oppinion about anything, those are just the most stupid ppl on this planet... hiding behind religion... jeez!!

'It is banned by all major monotheistic religions and most societies in general., thus it is wrong.'

You could link that to something else though, and say "Oh, just because Religion/Society says its wrong/perculiar it must be bad.". Most societies and Religions think that certain Religions are wrong and bad...but they're not.

'"right or wrong" I feel an examination of it it through Christianity and other major religions is justified'

In which case you could simply say "Well, it's my opinion..." or "It's my way of thinking that..." instead of saying "Well, because Religions say its bad...it must be...yeh...like, ummm, Jiggaboo's and whites...dirty, filthy animals." [that was an exaggerated example].

At least one persone get what I mean...

I have a major hate towards Paedophiles. They take advantage of children, use their innocence to get what they want. It sickens me. These children basically have their lives ruined. Most of them want to kill themsleves when they realise what has happened to them. I hate it so much. The people that do that should be ****ing killed. They are scum. Grrrr!!! I hate them so much!!!

I have no problem with homosexuals. They are not harming anyone. I also hate them people that say "Oh, look at me, I am like, you know so gay!" just to be trendy. That's probably why people hate gays because of these people that say things like that.

This Bestiality thing.... I don't really know about this one. It's is kinda weird to be attracted to a animal like a dog but, oh, I don't really know.

Just been watching 'Animal Passions' and it has said that Zoophilia was quite normal up until Christianity came along...so, once again Christianity caused the deaths of hundreds in the name of their "God". Wankers.

So much to respond to...

Okay, well I'll start by responding to the original topic, that of Beasiality. Like most of my views, if it is between "concenting" people [or in this case animals also], then that is fine. If they want to do that, then it is their own business. Although I used to be kind of confused as to how an animal could be concenting before I read this topic ... but I think I understand now.

As for my own view, it doesn't turn me on at all. I've seen "farm sex" stuff via the porn emails that I get spammed with ... and it doesn't appeal to me at all. Nor can I begin to understand the attraction of being with an animal. Although I'm sure most of the porn stuff is not concenting, so it's probably a very bad example to use. Which is my only gripe with any thing like this, is that it shouldn't be forced on you like with the spam emails [but that is a topic for another discussion].

I did find it very strange however when I took a poke around the writer of that article's website. He had an art gallery of adult images. Being open minded [I like to think I am anyways], I decided to take a look and saw many images of wolves in sexual positions. No probs there, he believes he's a wolf, so that's natural to him. But there were also some really weird stuff, like wolf threesomes, wolves with both male and female parts, etc. Now, I don't claim to know anything about this, so someone can correct me if I'm wrong ... but I didn't think any of that stuff was natural. I realize pack animals have more than one partner, but at once? So here you have a guy who is portraying what he believes is his native self, but then he's going and putting a "porn" slant on it. I just found it really weird that's all ... drawing animal porn without humans.

I think that's all I have to say [currently] on Beastiality.

Homosexuality, nope ... no problem there. I even find it attractive at times. But I don't like the "wanna-be" homosexuals who just think it's cool, to pick up chicks, etc. If you are that way inclined then so be it, or if you are trying to discover your sexuality then that is fine also. Actually I don't personally know anyone who is gay/lesbian, although I have a bi friend online.

I really haven't thought too much about where I stand on gay marriages. I don't really see a problem though I guess .. but it shouldn't be a church marriage, as that seems unusual to me. On marriages in the US too, I heard that you can marry anything in Las Vegas ... like some guy married his motorcycle, and another guy married a barbie doll cause it reminded him of his decesased wife. So really, if that's allowed, then gay marriage should be too.

That now brings me to my final point. Is who says what is right and wrong to be attracted to. I believe that being attracted to people [or animals or anything] is all natural. Just like with homosexuality. What makes one person attracted to something, but another person is totally put off by it. It cannot be explained. And I am a firm believer that people should be able to be attracted to anything or anyone they want to. As many of you know on here, I am obsessed with Sephiroth. Many people I have come across shun me for this, even tell me I'm messed cause I love a game character. Something that is not "real". But I also know a lot of people who also feel the same way ... not just Sephiroth, but other characters. Who says that what I feel is wrong. Who should judge me and tell me I'm messed up. I don't think anyone should. You can have your opinion, but don't attack someone casue it isn't "society's norm" or doesn't match your views or you can't relate to it in any way. Just cause it's different, doesn't make someone any different to you. The only time that the attraction to something different should be seen as wrong would be if it hurts somone else. Like if a person is attracted to something and it is impossible to have sex with it, and they go and rape someone to fulfil what they can't get, then that is wrong. But if they use the energy in another way, like masturbation, then it doesn't hurt anyone. And like with paedophilia and children are being harmed because of the person's attraction. I don't endorse any kind of paedophia and it sickens me, but "if" there were a way it could be consentual and not harming of anyone ... would it be so wrong? No, it wouldn't. Of course that's not to say that there aren't "sickos" out there who get some kind of pleasure from that kind of thing ... but that's a different category and is not what I'm meaning.

Abe Babe...

Everyone has different fetishes and sexual preferences. Some people like feet, some people like the same sex, some people like animals, some people like big huge boobies.
There is no universal set of morals, so we cannot determine what is right or wrong (unless of course you're religious, in which case I pity you). The only set of morals we have to go by are our own, and those presented by the MAJORITY of society.

'would it be so wrong? No, it wouldn't.'

Erm...yes it would. Because a man/woman is still having sexual relations with a person of an age where they have not sexually matured.

'But if they use the energy in another way, like masturbation, then it doesn't hurt anyone.'

This is an argument used by Paedophiles, they say "Oh, if i'm watching a toddler get raped, it means i won't do it myself. So back off.". Saying this may be their idea of a good argument, but at the end of the day they are paying for those images, and if they're not paying, they're still getting it from somewhere, which incidently makes the distributers of this material go "Oh, we have a demand for it...let's do it again...and again...and, yeah, again."

I personally don't believe Zoophilia is a thing you're born with. Sure, people may think they have the Souls of animals, it doesn't mean they should go and sleep with one.

'So here you have a guy who is portraying what he believes is his native self, but then he's going and putting a "porn" slant on it. I just found it really weird that's all ... drawing animal porn without humans.'

I've seen pictures of that, it's the sort of "If only [insert animal] could do this pose/position etc".

That's such a lame excuse...

Thinking about raping a child...fantasising about it, is the first step to taking action and making this dream a reality. NAMBLA(North American Man-Boy Love Association) advocates the legalization of sex between men and boys as young as eight. They publish writen material about raping young boys and a how to do it. They even have a "how to" guide for luring children and making them trust you on their website. Men that are unstable enough to be attracted to children shouldn't be given the "Well, as long as they aren't hurting anyone" excuse. Because if these Men wanted to kidnap and rape a child, they know how to.

The orginazation even funded an orphanage in Thailand that allowed men to pay to rape and molest young boys there. This group says they aren't breaking the law. But they're doing really bad stuff, and encouraging this activity.

-oddguy :cool:

Egggh... that's not really what I meant ... I was just speculating that if a child could make such decision, then there may be cases where it might not be wrong. But that would never be able to happen for reasons we all know ... so it will always remain wrong and horrid regardless of how you look at it. Looking back at my post, I didn't word it very well and it was probably the worst example to use to illustrate my original point, which was basically that people can't help what they have feelings for [sexual or otherwise].

That's probably why I've always stayed out of debatable topics in the past. :dead:

I actually feel somewhat ill that I even posted what I did ... if I could delete it I would, but the damage has been done and hopefully I haven't given you all the wrong impression of me.

Abe Babe...

Wow, damn lot reply's im just one day...

Thats a great point. I was trying to say something like that, just didnt know how the put it :lol:.

Don't be so hard on yourself. It was my fault for misunderstanding what you meant.

-oddguy :cool:

I only heard about NAMBLA through 'Southpark' [i always say that even though it's crude and childish, they bring up good political and social topics and they usually have a moral at the end of each episode].

I've recently heard more about them though, saying how it's beneficial to the health of both men and the child. I really don't see why they've been allowed to carry on with this, i really don't. The world Governments should have kicked the shit out of their organisation and, not only this, but kicked the shit out of them. I would personally go over to each of their business' or whatever and shoot the lot of them. God, what wanks.

I didn't actually realise they did most of that bad shtuff. I just thought they said it was okay and advocated it and tried to make it legal...

That's another reason I like South Park. I don't like the early episodes because it's just Cartman running around saying, "I'm gonna kick you in the nuts!" Now most episodes deal with social and political issues and I love to see their take on it. Most of the time they come up with reasonable conclusions at the end.

Yeah...I got my info about NAMBLA through Bill O'Reilly in his book titled "The No Spin Zone." He was upset because the ACLU(American Civil Liberties Union) was defending NAMBLA and their right to free speech and such. Makes me sick.

-oddguy :cool:

I'm a bit iffy with the freedom of speech thing. Because basically it allows people to shout out random crap and, although the majority may disagree and the person may be arrested, it still attracts other, like minded, individuals.

Just been browsing through some webpages that mentioned NAMBLA and even went onto their website. Many of the pages mentioned what you had said, about them promoting child rape and giving tactics to use etc. But their website had this disclaimer saying they don't advocate it, and that they just want the laws to be changed to allow young, consenting, boys to have sex with older, consenting, men.

Then i read another document that said that NAMBLA had done their best to ruin sting operations set up by the FBI, meaning they had some kind of connection to some higher authority, to be able to get information like that.

I really can't believe they are still swimming around society, i'll be so glad when i'm dead, then i won't have to worry about shiznit like this anymore...