No. Torturing. Puppies.

Oh my god...
Those people...
I hope they got their just desserts, the bastards.
That's so cruel, the poor things.

I can't realy see the use in having a frog with electrodes in it's head, except when it will escape and leave a trail of disaster (:P). Neither can I see the use in stitching a monkey's eyes shut or anything (jeez, now we know where Lorne got his inspiration from XD).
However, animal testing has multiple levels. Like I said earlier in this threat, testing medications on animals is fine with me. Testing shampoo and cosmetics though is downright stupid.

But in the end I guess it comes down to: They either test it on humans or animals. And even if people volunteered for testing, then that would 'not be ethical' and we'd get this endless loop.

PETA, ALF and all these other extremist animal movements are no better then terrorist groups. ALF is the worst of them all, having a grand total of millions of dollars of damage on their name.
And PETA is simply a bunch of mental f*cktards thinking they know what they are doing while they don't know anything about the animals they are trying to save. Someone should bomb these peoples HQ's...
Bush should use that army of his (or whats left of it) in a good way...

Animal Rights thread, haven't seen one of these in a while...

Okay, first, those pictures were sick and wrong and whoever did that too those poor critters should either (1) have it done to them, see how they like it or (2) be shot...then fired... Because that's just wrong, how the heck is it helping science? It isn't basically.

Testing on animals is a kind of delicate issue, I mean, I don't particularly like it, but as loads of others have said; testing for medicine that will save lives is a good thing (of course then the world gets over-populated because people aren't dying anymore... random observation there) But testing for cosmetics is a load of cock'n'bull.

Then again the radicals of Animal Rights aren't exactly giving themselves a decent rep, violence, deaths threats, attacking breeds of lab animals instead of the scientists... and just taking things too far.

For example, was it PETA who relased all the mink at this mink farm in the UK? Because that was one of the stupidest things they could have done, simply because of the fact that because they did that, the population of the considerably rarer water-rat (and some others I can't remember now - might have been otters but don't quote me) went down because of the sudden boom of mink in the area. So, in a nutshell the animal activists killed off a load of endangered animals by realesing the mink...not a smart move really...

BAH!
Have it done to them I agree with, and so do Havoc with the army deal.
Put them on the electric chair. Do the death sentence! Sure, you can test on animals for medicines, but just for cosmetics and just because they want to!?
That's sick. Makes me so angry. :flames:
And yet...the poor critters whom had to put up with the ordeal they were put in. Aw, the poor things...:crying:

That is just....wrong.

Animal Testing is wrong. It kills, Humilates, and tortures animals, just for Human Benifits. Animals have rights, not to be treated like that. The effect of these experiments limits all animals. It destroys their nature, and everything they lived for. This leaves them devistated, and if the experiment dosent work and the animal is killed, humans just think "Oh well, chuck the carcess in the bin and get another animal. Things like this kill them. It killed them. They killed them.

Thats awful. what kind of sick and demented wierdos would do such a thing?

Scientists. They say it's for research, but they only REALLY do it for the money. Greedy Basterds.

Except that for some of these things you'd have to question where the profit is (I'm not going to skim back through those pictures to give an example). I think a lot of it is scientists thinking "I wonder if I can do this..."

I'm sorry, but how the **** do you know that? Have you ever considered that the people who do this, umm, don't want to? That maybe they have a family to support? You can't automatically assume that a person who does sick things like this is a horrible person, because let me tell you, if it was a choice of my family living or dying, I'd some sick shit too.

I'm not agreeing with what they do. I'm just saying.

Well, whatever the reason, it's dispicable what the bastards did to those animals.
Keep 'em behind bars forever, or give the head of the agency the death penalty! Whatever to stop the bi***es from doin' such cruel machinations!

I will not comment on anyone's post but say this.
Humans are a flawed creation. They do nothing to other animals, both mentally and phsically. And ask yourself; why should the human race continue existing?

Years ago, my Mum and about 100 other members of greenpeace in the UK, wrote a letter to some facility who tested on Animals. After reading all these letters they stopped testing on animals and are now a "Humane" company. My Mum now gets free access to that country whenever she wan't because of what she helped do for their scientists.

I need to finish quickly before the battery on my Laptop runs out.

What:eek:...how can ya do something to some small n' innocent animals like that? I jus' LOVE animals, even if some of them might look a bit terrifying... I can't look at that unless I'm crying:crying: Stop those who dare being voilent against animals:flames:

~DS~

Yeah, like I said, humans are horrible speices. We are those customers of glukkons. Oddworld is an world that isn't any different from ours. But that doesn't mean we cannot change. We can only hope. ;)

:( ..This is........terrible. I hate the scientists who do this to animals.. This is sick and evil and sad all around. They torture animals like savages would to a human being. I feel sorry for the animals that were experimented in the cruel name of vivisection. This is terrible, and I wish I could help.. They just put tears of sadness into my eyes........:(... Awful..... I hate those who do this. I HATE them... It makes me cry. I'm so upset by this.

We also torcure each other too, you know. We have war and we have bullies that step on each other. But noooo. We care more about the animals than ourselves. At this rate, we will all get killed. The animals we torcure, we are afraid of them. This torcure is just the beginning in the future of war with all humans.

Slaveless, the human race ain't all so bad.
Yes, the bastards that did this deserved to be severely punished.
But think of it.
The humans have done so many things to the world, good and bad, and we're still on that path.
We're living today because...I guess, if you can say it as a religious term...God wanted us to live.
And we care about animals 'cause, believe it or not, they're just like humans. They think as if they're just like us, but physically, they're not. And plus, they have a right to be free as well.

I understand what you are rying to point out. And I agree. But I'm only complaining because I can't see a lot of things humans did that weren't resoulations to their own problems or did anything postive to planet Earth. But maybe, just maybe, we will do something that would save the Earth from destruction. Maybe that 2036 asteriod would be our prove to all that we coud do something postive. God only knows when we won't have anger, greed, and selfishness. Who knows. Maybe theres an animal that can show the errors of our ways. Well, I think some day, there could be a world of peace.

Until then, we should not discover any alien spieces. I'm afraid they will kill us if we go to war with them. Or, an aleterate problem, we will endanger them. We need to solve our own problems and save our inhabiants before we find any creatures outside our world.

Why not?
that'd make us prove that we were right 'bout things.
Sure, some things shouldn't be the way things are, and people shouldn't start on things that will make things the way they are.
People have done stupid things, have you not?
But we're just proving ourselves, as humans, that we can do anything, if we try.
If we don't try, then we're wasting our synergy.
Get it?

Yes. Yes I do. But I'm afraid that we are the only spieces trying to prove something. Maybe there are other animals trying to prove they can surive. We on the other hand, have to prove that we are the guardains of Earth and can make our race and others surive. That's the only thing we have to prove.

Can someone please make this an Sticky? This could be the Animal Testing Thread.

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Animals are trying to survive, slaveless.
Why d'you think they're more unique than humans!?
And as for us, we're animals, too. Just more smarter.
See, I don't get this.
If some people are helpin' animals to survive, why are they killing them instead? Sure. I can understand the fact of test subjects, only if it's safe, like shampoo testing, or medicines. (I'd say use mice, and at the largest, guinea pigs)

Didn't I say that?

I think they are unique because humans cannot help themselves in a battle normally without their handy dandy tools. We just have aternalen. And excuse me?!? We're smarter then them?! We just have a over devoleped brain for crying out loud!! We just know how to use our resourses! Humans cannot tell when a fish has scraped its tail 20 meters away! We can't tell when earthquakes are going to happen! Most humans during a tsumai will take pictures instead of following their cat! What makes you think we are smarter!?

Hrm...you do have a point.
I do know that animals can tell before humans, like thunderstorms, your pets go out'a whack!
And earthquakes? Animals have sensitive...I guess...nerves, that they can feel a quake all across half the globe, 'r closer.
But we're smarter...technologically. Animals are wise off the earth. We're just more...handy. And animals can be used as an early detection system. :p
Ah, praise thy lord for making animals thy early detection systems.

Give me 5 good reasons why we should. Nothing makes this an important discussion.

Fianlly, I won't agrue. I belive that animals (besides humans) can create technology if they needed to. Humans are too patheic in phyiscial form to fight or run, so they need something to support them. If another animal had the time and was that desperte, they could act like humans.

O_O

Dispicable. Although I'm not against animal testing, I am against animal cruelty. Just look at those poor things. Man is capable of as much malice as he has invention.

The second monkey on the main page reminded me of the Necrum Mudokons.

And that, my friends, is how badly these animals were treated. And shaven, too.

How can you play a game like MO and not be against Animal Testing Neph? Iasn't animal Testing Cruetly to animals?

Those pictures really made me sick. I hope never to see anything like them again.

Not always. There is a difference, particularly in methods. Not all animal testing is cruel. Quite a bit of it is, yes, but not all of it.

As someone else previously put it in this thread (first page, I think), "What if, to discover a cure for cancer, we had to sacrifice twelve monkies? I think it would be worth it."

Slaveless, it's not like I don't agree with you about the human race being flawed. I completely agree with you. Infliction of pain on someone has no justice in it, I'm just an animal lover, so I was just talking about the topic. I think war is no way to settle something in real life.

Unforuntenly, that may be the way of life. Bullies are like that. Words, no matter what, are not afraid of words. They'll keep you down, no matter what. And they'll never either get away or get in trouble permantly. Violence sometimes can sometimes convience most people. Some people can't accept that their attiude can affect or influence everyone on Earth.

Sorry for posting in a semi-old thread, but I think it'd quite an important discussion. I've looked at the pictures in the original post. After that, I couldn't pull myself to watch the video. But I believe that Humans have gone too far as a species. We're different to every other animal. The main reason for this is that we have begun to adapt everything else instead of adapting ourselves. No other animal harms another animal, just to see how it would react. And whatever happened to survival of the fittest? If we had no technology any more, we'd become extinct faster than any other race possibly could. We're weak, pathetic creatures, and we can be killed by the slightest of changes to our bodies.

And about the intelligence of humans vs animals, it reminds me of something Douglas Adams wrote. It goes along the lines of;
'Humans think they're more clever than dolphins because they discovered gravity, achieved space travel, and invented nuclear missiles. The dolphins think they're more intelligent for the exact same reasons.'

IE, what have humans ever done to make the Earth a better place. They've totally unbalanced it. Nuclear Missile - good, a way of commiting genocide in two minutes flat. Don't sound too good to me, to be honest. If nuclear war breaks out, I'm going to get murderous on humans as a race.

Humans have done plenty to make the world a better place - for humans.

If they test Animal drugs on animals, than why not do it the same for humans? I'm in the middle, but burning a poor puppie? Awwww....
And that, was the most heart braking vivisection site I have ever seen.

I feel sick. Literally, like I'm gonna throw up, after seeing that. How can they do this stuff? Sewing up a monkey's eyes to stick sonar in its head, that's like what they did to Munch in MO. Burning a dog alive to 'see the effects of burning'? Why not do that on a f**king criminal, a murderer for example. I don't even wanna describe the rest. I have ALWAYS been against animal testing and cruelty to animals, and that just further increases my views. I think that they should test this kind of sh!t on murderers, rapists, pedophiles etc.- the scum of the earth. How can anybody bring themselves to do this stuff? And that stuff on page 3, about animals not thinking or feeling- absolute bullshit.

It's the result of... *drumrole* Oh screw it you all know what I'm gonna say. Religion, yea. Sorry for bringing it up again, but hey.

The bible tells us that humans are above animals. So it is thus inhuman and incorrect to test drugs and medication on humans. Even the not religious people and scientists have to live with that standard.
There are a huge ammount of people stuck on deathrow. Why not test on them? They are scedualed to die anyway, so whats the problem if it happens to involve some extremely biting acid being sprayed in some guys eye? Need to see what happens when you catch fire for whatever stupid reason you want to test that. Grab the guy on the top of the list, pour some gas over him and light it. Let him burn, and after an hour or two you can see what happened to the guy. Simple as that.

Exactly what i said. Those guys are going to die regardless, why not test all these things and all experimental drugs on them instead, they're dead anyway.

Except that the US consitution bans cruel and unusual punishment.

*points at Quantanamo Bay* You were saying? :P