Personally I see this world as a world to be experienced. Whether through making sweet love to my hand or eating a bigmac from mcdonalds. I don't care what any religion says about respecting a gods wishes - that "god" of theirs built this world and I'm going to marvel at it if you don't mind.

Man, he really messed up.

No I think he did a good job. I like the world I live in.

Twice a week, hobo? Surely you jest. I masturbate at least twice a day. Surely this proves my virility?

Silly Morgan. At least twice a week. Cutting it down to at least twice a day would probably take the numbers down another 3.4% or so. Don't worry, chap, you're still in the majority.

You're not supposed to waste your seed, which is the same reason you aren't supposed to use contraception or have oral sex.

It proves your lonelyness. :P

Once I'm married, I'm going to do whatever I please with my wife.

-oddguy

I already do whatever I please with my eh... girl. (I wanted to make a joke about a dog, but that would be cruel and just think about what you guys would think of me :P),
Im not religieus anyway, so all that stuff doesnt bother me. Bless you if are religeus however :).

Hmmm, oddguy, I'm quite confused. If you do marry, you're only supposed to partake in intercourse with the mindset of producing a child, as casual sex in which you'd most likely use a condom is prohibited. Therefore, would you not be forced to only partake in intercourse when you want a child? Perhaps you meant other acts of sex, not just intercourse, though.

But I dare say, it seems quite a lot of the Christians seem to have double rules. It's okay to masturbate, giving the book of Leviticus the flick. But it's not okay to be homosexual, taking everything in the book of Leviticus as truth. Double rules? Indeed.

(That wasn't aimed at any member in particular, just an observation on my behalf)

Alcar...

I didn't say masturbation was okay. Yes, I've done it, but it is still a sin. I try my best to follow my religion. However, when I'm married to someone, I don't think God would look down on me for having a healthy, happy relationship with my wife. As long as I'm true and faithful to her, I see nothing wrong with a healthy sex-life.

-oddguy

surely she'll have a say in it as well? :D

Alcar, it really just depends on your religion or your denomination (if you are Christian, as each denomination seems like a completely different religion to me).

In any case, Catholics beleive that sex is a necessary evil which is why priests are celibate (actually historically priests are really celibate so their possessions go to the church and not to any meddling offspring, but the intentions of the rule has changed over the centuries).

Jews, on the other hand, beleive that sex is good within marriage (though you still aren't able to use contraception). In fact in the traditional Jewish wedding contract the guy commits to satisfy his wife, and if he doesn't that is officially grounds for divorce (though I've never heard of that really happening). There are even discussions in the Talmud of how often a man should have sex with his wife, starting at once or twice a week for manual laborers and going up to four or five for desk-jobs. And sex on the Sabbath is called a double good deed!

EDIT: All this is because the first commandment God gave to mankind (ie Adam and Eve) was 'Go forth and multiply)

Speaking in terms of Christianity, you are only to have sex with the mindset of producing a child. Otherwise you abstain, as you would need to use contraception in preventing a pregnancy, which is, as well all know, not allowed. How can some of you take to truth some aspects of the bible, but disregard the others?

Oh, wait. I do know the reason. It's because you're selfish pigs. You'll disregard the rules that would hinder your lifestyle, but take those rules which keep you 'safe' to extreme truth. So which do you choose? Do you choose to accept homosexuality as being okay (along with many other biblical laws otherwise seen as wrong), and masturbate as well? Or do you abstain from masturbating, and treat homosexuals like the devil incarnate?

I'm sorry, but you can't have the best of both worlds. It's taking the word of the Bible into your own hands, and interpreting it in your own perspective, taking on board what you like and dislike. When we next have an argument concerning Christianity, your beliefs will mean moot.

(Once again, this wasn't directed at anyone, as I know every single Christian here has basically the same mindset. Also, I realise the above paragraphs seem rather harsh. But can you blame me?)

Alcar...

Well, as said im not religeus, but no, I cant blame you. You right :).

Can we please get back to the explosive penis topic? Please?

Wow Alcar. That really offended me. This is why I don't like discussing religion. It gets people upset and hurts feelings. I like you Alcar and think you're really cool, but I'd rather not talk about religion and have it split up our friendship on the forums.

-oddguy

Actually..... he does. Everyone has the right and priveledge to judge everybody. One of the perks of being sentient.

Yeah, that's a general life rule. Two things you NEVER talk about with your friends: religion and politics. It always creates some sort of problem.

Of course, sometimes I break the rule and talk about religion with my friends...but I usually keep it fairly open-minded and don't make any harsh accusations.

Everyone at my school is on the same side when it comes to politics, so noone really cares. As for religion, there's no such thing out in this city, except maybe Buddhism and the worship of a local glamour queen.

Bear in mind those that disagree with popular opinion probably don't speak up. I sure wouldn't want to get blasted and ruin my image against the majority.

Noone cares. I know this because people who have something to say say it loudly and proudly with little regard of what others think. I live in a community where people (well, the kids anyway) don't give a damn about what happens and we all fit in perfectly. I guess we all have our worries and doubts deep down, but we're very good at hiding them and we walk around all day with a neutral look among our faces thinking about the present and never about the past or the future. I know, we sound pitiful, but really, is the future (which you really have little control over) that important? Is the past worth recollecting unless something exciting happened? No. We all have our own thoughts and feelings, but our minds are, as Mr. Gore calls them, "lock-boxes".

That's what I wanted to say.

.:VaniLLaKiLLah:.

Hmmmm, I apoligise oddguy. Although I did say it wasn't directed at any particular member, it of course, is pointing at all the Christians. However, the fact that we are all hypocrites stands. The fact that I consider myself a Catholic, even as I am now, is proof enough ;)

And yes, we probably should get back onto the previous topic :p

Alcar...

What els is there to say about the explosive penis topic? The guys dick exploded... case closed :P.
And there should be room to let a topic change... it was a pretty interesting discussion we where having, why stop it? Becouse it isnt the topic? Thats silly if you ask me...

Yay! I feel better. I also apologise for anything I may have done as well.

Cool. :)

-oddguy

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borinng
What a long topic

So you having a little moan about it makes that all better does it?

Seriously, if you don't like it don't bitch about it, just piss off and spare us the grief.

Whoa! Let's not get off on the wrong foot. Kellie, this is Death...he's really cool and also very opinionated, which may sometimes make him look like a jerk, but he isn't. really! :)

He does make a valid point though. I would've said the same ting, but in a nicer way. :D

-oddguy

I actually really like this topic. Seems to me that Off-Topic has really been awesome lately, getting back to the good ol' days with Danny and the gang. We've been having a lot of really good mature discussions and all, and I really enjoy it.

And kellie, where is my candy dammit?!:p

No I'm not. Sorry but that's just not true and I won't let you misrepresent me like that. While I have strong opinions about things, that does not make me opinionated. Yes, I beleive in my opinions because I am confident in my beleifs, but I don't attempt to make anyone else change their opinoins to match mine.